Whats the tipping point ?

[paranoid]

lets all leave the game
admin kicking without reason
cant say a word in chat and there comes the warning and kicked, just check logs not lying
thats what happen when personal interest becomes first, better known as abuse of power
and this is a BRUTALLLL WIINNNNN, LUSAAAAAAAAAAAA

 

[mRoRange]

So in a minute's notice, you're ready to tell the whole community to leave the game on a topic about your bad behavior?

lol , how about you go create your own topic and beef there and you can add all your talking points and harsh treatment you had to endure. Let's see how it stands on your own merits and track record right?

 

[[RUS]WàrrióR]

Repeatedly being abusive to someone. (targeted insulting)

Racist language is not appropriate.

Anything deemed excessive by an admin. (Like everything you say being an insult)

Excessive accusing of hacks/weapon insulting/whiner or crying comments.

Being asked to stop by the player you are targeting and refusing to. (within reason)

Occasional sexual chat is fine, within reason. An admin or player can ask you to stop if they feel it has gone too far as we do get people of all ages here.

The occasional rude comment is fine. Saying it as a joke if the player understands is fine. However, if the player asks you to stop or feels offended you are expected to stop.

Apparently, mRoRange is talking about 2 key moments here, if I understand correctly.

First, it's "bunch of pretty nasty language".
I agree with that and I think it's going too far sometimes, but I don't understand why only paranoid and santa are mentioned here. We have a few more players that do that on regular basis, so I find it odd no one mention them. If we are going to watch over nasty language more carefully, it should be applied to everyone, right?

You are accusing me that I do nothing about it, and you are absolutely right. I tried to do something about it at first, but eventually I stopped. Bunch of pretty nasty language is going from everywhere nowadays, and no one seemed to be bothered about it. Good thing you created this topic and pointed out at importance of this issue and even some more people replied here, agreeing with you, perhaps we should pay more attention to this, so our community would stay more healthy and clean.

The rules says "Occasional sexual chat is fine, within reason. An admin or player can ask you to stop if they feel it has gone too far...". You are accusing me that I do nothing, but I don't really remember you ever asked an admin to stop it. Instead you choose to "return fire", so nasty language continues to go in both ways.

I don't remember anyone complained about this on the server recently, so that's why I do nothing. If you got tired of excessive "d!cks, ass, etc., etc." just ask a player to stop it and if he don't, ask admin to kick him, it's that simple. If you're choosing to "return fire" you are risking to be kicked yourself as well.
In the mean time please let's also not forget that "occasional sexual chat is fine, within reason", so we shouldn't kick players for couple of dirty words.

I guess SellOut is mostly referring to this part of mRoRange's message as well.
Why should we have to rely on another player's complaint? Because even if someone is being offensive it doesn't always mean anyone is offended, right?


Second, it's about childish behavior?

We have players of all ages here indeed, so if they prefer to act "childish" sometimes why should we forbid it? How can anyone demand to "act mature" from other players and how this can be a "more legitimate and incremental serious issue"? This is a free server and everyone is allowed to talk about anything they want the way they like with the few exceptions, written down in our rules.

And another thing I am seeing game after game Santa and Paranoid calling out people just joining a game for 1 min and just logging on as AFK. Immediately trying to always get some kicked as sport. Yes, I have been afk and am working on it. I have been drastically less afk in there last 3 months and have gone spec mode in many occasions. I have slipped a few times recently but I have been making it a priority to reduce and eliminate it constantly. But I am not watching everyone and constantly bickering about every single person just joining ( maybe they are getting setup and coffee) and being afk for the 1sdt minute. I have seen many games like this and this constant bickering by these 2 needs to stop. They are not admins and in many cases they are wrong and they need to worry about they're game , their language, and their selves and not always everyone else!

I believe you're particularly referring to this recent round? http://helloclan.eu/bfv/stats/chatlog.php?id=81973
But Doen wasn't even talking to you, but about Nagi? It's you who started to interact with him and use inappropriate language?
He asked to kick Nagi for AFK, so what? Nagi just joined the game for 1 min, but maybe he was afk the whole previous round? You said it yourself they are not admins, so what difference does it make? Sometimes admins forget to kick afks while enjoying the game process, so what's wrong with players reminding us of that?
And what's that about "they need to worry about they're game" when just recently you were worrying about my and rick's Mi-8 game style and even made a huge thread about this? Sometimes we are all worrying about other's game and criticizing it.

If some players are tired of all these "childish" and "nonsense" talks, there's a more simple solution to this:

Is a player annoying you? Open the console and type:
ignore ID (Their ID is under the # on the scoreboard)
If you believe they are being excessively rude though,
tell an admin or ask them to stop so they, and we, know.

P.S. In general, I agree with what this thread is all about. Doen and paranoid are known for pushing the boundaries to the limit, walking on the thin line between what is allowed by our rules and what is not. As Doen said, it's all being started as "joking around", but eventually it's becoming difficult to keep it in this way, so they can't even notice how their jokes are suddenly turning into insults / chat spam / personal attacks and etc. When they are crossing the line, they get kicked and stop crossing it again after it, so they surely know how to back off at the right times. If you see some player who doesn't want to interact with you, why keep making more personal attacks?

So there it is, Santa and paranoid. You see guys how many people here are not happy with the way you communicate? Sometimes it's becoming really annoying even for me, but usually I don't give this too much attention and just ignore or laugh at it. But there are some players who don't like this, so maybe it's time to cool it a little bit down before this line you're balancing on shifts one day?

 

[mRoRange]

That's a fair comment as it applies overall here. However, I wasn't commenting on just one instance. I have seen other players that haven't played in months and just join and get the same treatment almost immediately. What were really talking about here is a little overall common sense behavior not always pinpointing to one instance. Sheesh isn't good to strive for sensible conduct for all players. It has to be a rule, article, combination every second? Cant we act civilized, yea have the occasional off-color comments and jokes but in general, have a good atmosphere for all and young players, it has to be dictated by Santa , Paranoid and the others on the fringe,. And after they push the boundaries to the max they are hitting back with every rule to correct everybody else , that's the excruciating part and hypocrisy. No middle ground. Well Russ you rule on how you want. We will follow your lead and let the fringe rule too because we dont want them to be upset for breaking rules and correcting everyone else at the same time. This is going nowhere and they are not going to change in the end so lock it.

 

[BarFly]

I wrote a 50 line story here, but I just deleted it. I support Orange to 100% in this thread, but feeling sad Santa fell on his own bads. I liked him aswell.
/ Bar

 

[[RUS]WàrrióR]

Well Russ you rule on how you want. We will follow your lead and let the fringe rule too because we dont want them to be upset for breaking rules and correcting everyone else at the same time. This is going nowhere and they are not going to change in the end so lock it.

I asked you before what exactly do you suggest to do about it and you replied with "Have a heart to heart message to them. " Hey guys let's cool it or I need to do something going forward, it's that simple". ". I agreed with you and just posted such message addressed to them here as you suggested.
What else are you unhappy about?

 

[mRoRange]

Im not unhappy , lets lock it. I'm not going to give them a nudge this thread should be enough. If it don't change we know is status quo for the show. I will adapt and just deal with it, we don't have a choice they rule things.

 

[x4|Al Gore]

I agree for a 30,60,90,180 days ban for Paranoid.

By the way, the difference between Paranoid and Tina is:

• Tina will stop if you tell her to stop.
• Tina does not make personal attacks on other players as Paranoid does.
• Tina does not initiate Map Votes every 180 seconds even when majority of players repeatedly vote No, until most players leave and the remaining ones finally vote Yes to change map back to Hastings or a couple of his other favorite maps.
• Tina greets frequent players when they join.
• Tina does not abuse or insult other players.

I also agree with @mRoRange why Paranoid is getting a pass all the time while far less serious things like hacking accusations gets so much attention and time with YouTube videos, disguised screen names, and long forum threads. If leniency with Paranoid is about retaining players then it is not achieving its goal because players like @silvia and now @Santa left because of Paranoid.

 

[HeiligWahrheit]

I think it's not our business, how Russ spends his time and I'm thankfull, that he spends so much time. And that's not the point in this thread. He answered several times, what you want him to do with paranoid, so he is spending is time to this problem. It's a good thing, that al gore wrote he appreciates a ban.

But let's not evaluate the work of Russ, if it's more important to make youtubevideos or what else. E.g. for me, it is very important, that the hacking accusations got a thread in this forum. Me and HTN were about to stop playing because of several hack accusations everytime and I think we are not the only one.

Back to this thread:
I would also support some ban for paranoid, but maybe for max. 30 days. In my point of view, 180 days ban is way to much for "ahahahahahhhaa" and "bamus" etc.

 

[Vmax]

Doen has had a teflon coating for years on this server as he was friendly with some of the previous admins who excused his shitty behavior. He has also quit the game numerous times but always comes back There is no point in removing any players as the playerbase is too small so best to live with it or go find a new game Oh and hi everyone

 

[BarFly]

Doen has had a teflon coating for years on this server as he was friendly with some of the previous admins who excused his shitty behavior. He has also quit the game numerous times but always comes back There is no point in removing any players as the playerbase is too small so best to live with it or go find a new game Oh and hi everyone

Hi Old Friend

 

[paranoid]

I have been thinking all those days, and I asked myself if I would like play against me and experience all the trolling typing, i would say YES.

Bcos thats fun for me, when another people do the same i never insult, or saying stuff about mom and parents like admin or others players did to me, but thats understandable, bcos they probably feel angry with the killing and trolling all the time, or just rage quit.

So I accept the complainings and like it has been asked to me, i ll slow down my trolling way to play.

But I ll not END IT at all, bcos like a sayd, thats the fun for me, when i blow up a vehicle with mines or C4 i ll say BAMUS, or laugh about it, bcos thats the joy for me.

And I never mean it as personal attack, like Santa sayd before, i have been played against Santa and we never took those words to heart, thats just for fun.

 

[[RUS]WàrrióR]

As far as I remember our server was always full of trolls, "trolling" was never forbidden here and those who scream about being trolled are often well known trolls themselves.

I believe this thread is more about how trolling can imperceptibly transform into something disruptive and nasty: chat spam, inappropriate language, disruptive gameplay, personal attacks, etc. Like in this case: https://forum.helloclan.eu/threads/9132/. You say you never mean it as a personal attack, but nevertheless it was and I surely doubt this was "fun" for Nagi or whoever you were talking to. Or for another example: https://helloclan.eu/threads/9157/.

This is not "trolling" and you should stop doing this.

 

[mRoRange]

Im glad Snake pointed this out because I didn't do the best job of listing all the details in this thread. Most of what I said previously does refer to stuff like that and other variations. I would like to point out as Paranoid says in his recent reply " But I ll not END IT at all, bcos like a sayd, that's the fun for me, when i blow up a vehicle with mines or C4 i ll say BAMUS, or laugh about it, bcos thats the joy for me." This thread is not about getting killed and someone laughing, lets be honest here. It's about trolling to the point where you run people off the server and that's my beef, do it to a point where your actions are causing players to leave and that affects others' gameplay. Then after insulting or pushing the boundaries then flip and call rules on other people after you just caused a fight and a ruckus. That's pretty hypocritical if you ask me.

Just own it Paranoid and cool it, the rest will work its self out. I watched you yesterday stack teams and people left because you were mad at the map order. Grow up !