BFV NextGen Server Idea

[x4|Al Gore]

I assume there are other players besides me who have kids and would like their kids to be able play BFV online with other kids. But they probably hesitate because there is no kid safe server where language is strongly enforced and parents/guardians don't need to worry about whom their kids are playing with.

My kids have played on Hello before but I had to stop them after a few players were occasionally using inappropriate language. I occasionally allow them to play when my friends or admins are playing. @TheNME @silvia and other players were very helpful in 2018 and 2019 to enforce language rules and guide my kids in the game.

May I suggest a password protected server for kids-only, who must been registered on the forum by their parents/guardians to receive the password.

This server would be only for kids under 16 or 18 with admins assigned to oversee them. I'm sure even non-Hello BFV players would be interested in such a BFV server only for their kids.

 

[htn]

Well I don't have any, so I may have another view of it.

But when the kids get their own server, we will split up a small community more..

E.g.: I think it is better to play with 30ppl on one server than 20/10 on two.

That's just my opinion. Maybe instead we will just discuss to enforce blocking of inappropiate language with more strength and/or change the rules what inappropiate language is? That's my point of view

 

[x4|Al Gore]

This idea is for kids who are not able to play on regular servers because their parents/guardians prefer a kid safe server to play on. There won't be a split because all these kids were not playing on the regular server.

 

[htn]

I know what you mean. But my suggestion is, to make the existing server maybe more "kid safe", so that there is no need for an extra server.

But that's just my opinion

 

[HoloDuke]

I agree with HTN - in earlier days, I wouldn't let my young son play on the server because of frequent use of words like anal, @sshole (literal use not calling someone a name). If we want to attract a younger crowd, then it would be better to strengthen the existing server population with that spin up a stand alone server.

 

[IceSkater]

Good evening there

Al, you certainly are active I'll give you that!



This has actually been discussed sometime ago, at least not in the sense of actually bringing in younger people but the whole swearing debacle. Back then it was decided against enforcing more strict rules mainly because the server generally was full of adults.

Being a war game, as was the common statement used in this type of debate, there is bound to be swearing. Considering many come here to unwind, it was acceptable for the odd swearing to occur.

Having said this, and this is slightly off topic, if I was in charge of HelloMiners - they would hate my guts because in my very strong opinion no minor to be exposed to any kind of swearing of any nature. Their rules of swearing is very much like ours. Nothing excessive, occasional drops allowed. Minecraft is, at least from my viewpoint, catered to a younger audience. Yes, grown adults play it, but it's foundation is based upon minors playing it. It's a game for them.

Back on topic, I used the above to show that I have a very strong standpoint when it actually comes to swearing and insults. It's why I take things as I see them here, if someone swears at another player, I take it as I see it. I don't see it as a joke, likewise I don't find it funny nor playful banter. Yet I abstain from acting immediately when I see stuff like that because, again, if the person was offended they'd say so and action would happen.



Having said all this, I would be inclined to agree to a change of rules. However, as straightforward as it is in nature, it's still a bit of a difficult situation.

We'd need to literally police the chat more thoroughly. We'd need to make even the most minute a slur punishable.



I concede that this can mostly be done autonomously, by coming up with as many bad words and slurs as possible and then adding them to the banned words list so the server can kick and ban people accordingly.



I would indeed appreciate the younger players joining us, instead of splitting off into a different server. I don't think it would be wise at all to specially setup a server just for the younger players. As SellOut & HTN have said, which I agree with, I would rather work to a solution on our primary server.



I will ask the Admins to chime in on this thread, if the bulk of us are in agreement, we can implement it.



Sidenote: Once the current trial of Admins is over, I will be attempting to organize an event to try and fill the server. Details of which will be announced in early February.




Regards,
Ice

 

[x4|Al Gore]

Thanks Ice

 

[Vmax]

I have been away in Melbourne visiting my adult kids so haven't had my2c here yet.

Adding swear words to the banned words list seems like a no brainer to me but I find the trolling a bigger issue. There are guys playing here who love to troll other players and the problem may be that they just go to the Griffin server if we stand over them too much.

Running a second server with moderation may be the only way it can work.

 

[Deleted member 10634]

Why are you even considdering this as an issue. the game BFV is killing people so why would you see it as problem if somone says F...K or C..t.
Its like youtube where you cant show titties etc but you can show a guy driving 300 km on his bike on narrow roads. Everything has to be so F..... political correct these days

 

[silvia]

Would that game be only for children? Or would it be mixed with children and adults?
In principle, it seems good to me that it is protected but it is useless if "x" people have the password and they have that language.
Whether mixed or just for children the solution goes through
1 each person who respects others
2 there is no need for an admin .. there are also players that 1 can cut that situation, the admin is not necessary. and then if to notify the admin
3 not looking the other way when we see abuse.
I spoke with iceskater a long time ago on the subject of insults, and you explained it to me, I understood it although I did not share the opinion. But I understood it.
I did not share it for a reason ... because depending on who and how they tell you the same expression varies.
So from my point of view having children ... none is acceptable. There is no debate. and not having children, we have the rule that I believe iceskater
And to the icesakter rule it would be very good to add "this is simply a suggestion" that all people who play have the right to play
BUT ALSO TO RESPECT AND NOT CAUSE.
You don't have to have children. Possibly you have nephews first cousins or a small neighbor I don't care. The key is that it is a small child, that it is not your son is not an answer.
NOTE: "it's just an opinion"

 

[x4|Al Gore]

Would that game be only for children? Or would it be mixed with children and adults?

My idea is only for children. No adults (except admins monitoring.) And this server would be for children who are CURRENTLY NOT PLAYING BFV (because of language and trolling.) So it doesn't split OR reduce player numbers from the regular server.

Yes children can be anyone's. I remember my friend gave his BFV CD to his friend's nephew. That nephew played BFV for many years.

Thanks!

 

[x4|Al Gore]

Admin of such kid's server should be @Nagi Tanka even if he abuses, kids will not understand what he says ?

 

[IceSkater]

Just further adding to this.

There is a logistical point here when it comes to setting up a pass worded server just for kids. Those kids would need to register here, and it's against GDPR rules for anyone considered a minor to register on any type of platform without the literal consent of a legal guardian. The parent would literally have to sign up, say "x" is my child etc, then they may signup after the guardian has proved their name.

Now yes I know there's kids aged 8 that have instragram or tik tok accounts, but that's not something I can control and from a legal point of view for HelloClan I'd much rather actually enforce the rules that are set out to protect minors, than completely ignore them.

If anyone remembers "atomic poopie", his father had got in touch with SK prior to him making a forum account.

Furthermore, even if we got over this hurdle, the forum also doesn't have strict rules regarding language. They'd need to be locked into a group that can only see their specific forum section. Which is completely do-able.

We could setup a way to bypass all the above by having parents email me for the password, but the problem is that anyone can do this and I wouldn't be ably to verify the actual person until I see them go into the server. That is why I try and get people, especially new players, to join the forum so that I can ensure it's not somehow one of our ancient enemies.



BUT, there is an even larger concern I have. I really do appreciate all the suggestions that get thrown in, but I also need to weigh the entire logistic side of it. The reality here though is, how many minors are we actually going to draw in? At this point in time, I'd legitimately only be setting up a server for your kids Al, and maybe just maybe a figure you can count on your one hand from the rest of the community would join in.

I am willing to still try it. Though again, I would sincerely much rather just be more restrictive on our main server to make it more inviting for kids. Let's also be honest here, it's all good and well setting up a kid friendly server, but there is bound to be one amongst them that could introduce the very thing we're trying to avoid. I'm not saying this as a slant against parents out there, but this is the internet.



I've added links for this topic on our discord and in the in-game server announcements. We'll see how the voting goes.



Regards,
Ice

Ps: Snake

Why are you even considdering this as an issue. the game BFV is killing people so why would you see it as problem if somone says F...K or C..t.
Its like youtube where you cant show titties etc but you can show a guy driving 300 km on his bike on narrow roads. Everything has to be so F..... political correct these days
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It is a bit of a paradox, however, considering the game isn't that graphic it's quite acceptable. However, the age rating of the game is 16 so there is that. Most Battlefield games actually have a younger player base, but they're not allowed online because of how toxic some of the communities are. This is the problem we share.

 

[LTShaun]

So Al wants the Ninja’s to return eh? Would love to see them come back but I don’t think we should add a separate server for Kids only because it will just remain empty as do my servers.

I also think it’s best if we just enforce language in a more strict manner on the main server. When I play BF1942 I am pretty much on the Moongamers.com server and their environment is very kid friendly. If you drop a swear word in the chat the server will auto warn you, do it again it’s an auto kick, and then again it’s a temp ban.

Either way I am willing to help, considering my servers are dead and I still continue to pay for them I would be willing to donate a server and set it up as “kid friendly”.

What does everyone think? I agree that this could be beneficial for the community but it will be very hard to establish a minor community for the “new” server. I have a feeling it would be just the two Ninjas playing for the most part. COOP may be the solution for this. Anyway we will see what the votes say.

Regards, Shaun.

 

[x4|Al Gore]

I agree with Ice and LTShaun. A separate server for a handful of kids didn't make sense. Also looking at the votes above, I think I'm the only player with kids. Auto settings for language makes better sense. Thanks for everyone's responses. It was just a thought so I put it out here. If we had too many players with too many kids just waiting for a kid's server then this would have been worth the effort. But a separate server just for two kids doesn't make sense. When ninjas play they mostly play on coop on Local. So it's not like they were missing the game. Thanks again everyone.

 

[IceSkater]

I agree with Ice and LTShaun. A separate server for a handful of kids didn't make sense. Also looking at the votes above, I think I'm the only player with kids. Auto settings for language makes better sense. Thanks for everyone's responses. It was just a thought so I put it out here. If we had too many players with too many kids just waiting for a kid's server then this would have been worth the effort. But a separate server just for two kids doesn't make sense. When ninjas play they mostly play on coop on Local. So it's not like they were missing the game. Thanks again everyone.

If we are dead set, I will make the amendments to the rules over the weekend and I will ask (and will also create a separate topic) that everyone send me as many blasphemous words as possible. In any language. Obviously via DM please...then I will add them to the banned list and set it up so that a player is warned first, we will leave it on warning first for a few months till the adjustments set in then we will change it to kick first then ban.



Regards,
Ice

 

[HoloDuke]

Skater, is it possible to just censor words instead of kick/ban?

 

[IceSkater]

Skater, is it possible to just censor words instead of kick/ban?

Regrettably not. If this was a more modern game, it would be a but a change of a setting. Likewise, we can't disable in-game chat either. Censoring them would be the ideal scenario here...

Our saving grace at the moment is just the automated banned words system.

 

[silvia]

If I don't misunderstand x4 and iceskater ... do you want to create a game for mini monsters? You're crazy? small children are already miniature terrorists ..
and do you want to teach them more? .. I used to be normal and now I'm shooting down the street bazokas and stealing tanks and helis ..

? ?

 

[IceSkater]

If I don't misunderstand x4 and iceskater ... do you want to create a game for mini monsters? You're crazy? small children are already miniature terrorists ..
and do you want to teach them more? .. I used to be normal and now I'm shooting down the street bazokas and stealing tanks and helis ..

? ?

??? Silvia!!! Hahaha