Rule Clarification Request

[Pinky]

Red capped blue main - Siege of Khe Sahh. We had our main and blue main along with a couple of other flags.

I observed that the blue team had turned their main to white so I promptly flew there with the MI8 and began shooting whereupon BR immediately began posting that I was raping main.

Here is the last rule I could find, and may I reco that the rules be put where we can find them.

"
5. Main raping:
To ensure an enjoyable environment, we have implemented a rule prohibiting air units from attacking the main base of the opposing team. This includes firing into the main base or using aircraft to intentionally collide with players or vehicles on the ground, unless the opposing team has no other flags under their control (neutral flags are not considered as a team's flag). This rule applies all to all aircraft including both the Mi8 cargo and Huey Slick helicopters, as they can be utilized for ramming purposes. The Huey Slick's side guns are also included in this restriction."

I say the rule is confusing. How can it be said that the team has a main base flag if they don't have that flag? If their home base flag is white, it's not their base. It's neutral. And I've been attacked at red main many times by choppers when I have been turning the flag back to red.

Thanks for clarification. As you know, I don't rape mains.

pinky

 

[.BR.IRON MAN]

Hi Pink, yes, I warned you about that, and I agree that this rule is a bit confusing, but it's also good to clarify that you didn't have all the flags; some were still neutral and others were about our power.

There were still white flags, which meant you didn't have all the power in your favor either, that's why I warned you.

For example, on Hastings' map, all the intermediate bases start out white. Now, following that logic, at the beginning of the map everyone can attack the main base because the intermediate bases don't yet belong to anyone.

But if I'm wrong, I apologize in advance. You know I care about you and I know you always try to follow the rules. Don't take it the wrong way.

 

[DiscoMagpie]

The line here is a bit thin, but in my eyes it should be considered main rape because:

1. It might be a neutral flag, but it's still the main base and
2. All other flags are either neutral or taken

The team that's being raped has nowhere to spawn, and is attempting to take main back. Technically I don't remember any punishment before being taken in such a scenario, I've seen it happen and often times it'd be ending a map soon after it has started, but I think we should adjust it to include main being neutral as well. It'd give the team a fighting chance, forcing the opposing team to either capture all other flags, or wait until the main flag is taken back.

 

[PhaI]

It was always my understanding that if a main base is white you can attack it by any means you deem appropriate, regardless of who owns the other flags. And while it may not be the nicest thing to do but it's not considered main rape per the current rules.

 

[HeiligWahrheit]

Hey everyone,

mistakes can happen and I like, that we tolerate them! I'm still little confused that this is coming up, as it is the rule on our server since years. But if it is unclear and needs to be explained, it's good that we are doing this here. The rules can be found here, where everyone can find it easily ("Our games" -> "Battlefield Vietnam" -> "Server rules"): https://forum.helloclan.eu/resources/32/

5. Main raping:
To ensure an enjoyable environment, we have implemented a rule prohibiting air units from attacking the main base of the opposing team. This includes firing into the main base or using aircraft to intentionally collide with players or vehicles on the ground, unless the opposing team has no other flags under their control (neutral flags are not considered as a team's flag). This rule applies all to all aircraft including both the Mi8 cargo and Huey Slick helicopters, as they can be utilized for ramming purposes. The Huey Slick's side guns are also included in this restriction.

The following maps are affected by the main rape rule. For each map, there is a screenshot displaying both mains (if applicable) with a designated demarcated area. This area is considered protected by the main rape rule.

If the opposing team is not having their main-flag under control, it's not considered as a team's flag -> it can be attacked by air (like pinky did). As soon as the team controls their own main flag, it must not be attacked by air if the team controls another flag.

I like the example: At the start of Hastings, both teams are not controlling any other flag than their mains -> both mains can be attacked until another flag is captured. There was a discussion/poll 2021 if all flags need to be team flags until the main can be attacked, but the community said no: https://forum.helloclan.eu/threads/9393/

It was always my understanding that if a main base is white you can attack it by any means you deem appropriate, regardless of who owns the other flags. And while it may not be the nicest thing to do but it's not considered main rape per the current rules.

This is right!

I hope, this helps? I agree, that we could rewrite the rule to be more clear...

Best regards,
HeiligWahrheit

 

[.BR.IRON MAN]

Unfortunately, I didn't remember that poll; perhaps it went unnoticed, there was a time when I wasn't actively participating in the forum. Until then, I only knew the old rule that left all flags under the complete control of the enemy team. In any case, I reiterate my mistake and offer my sincere apologies.

 

[HeiligWahrheit]

Mistakes happen, no worries! It also was just a warning: no kick, no ban. And I think, pinky will also understand that