Of late I have supplied video evidence of players main raping. Yes they have been given a one day ban but what good does it do to impose a ban on the server for the following Monday that lasts 24 hours?
Before anything, I must clear up something.
Your recent report, regarding one of these "veteran" players, was in fact made at fault. Something I sort of cleared up in a voice chat with them. Your provided evidence cut off before the admin action was visible and I did not go through the logs to double check. It was confirmed after the fact that admin action had already been taken against the offending player in-game. Again, I cleared this up with the player in question over voice chat. They had also apologized for their infraction in-game when they realized what had happened.
I propose making that 24 hour ban when reported thru the submission procces to be enforced on the following Saturday or Sunday to have maximum effect.
I'm afraid that's a hard no. For reasons I'll describe below.
When vetren players capriciously break the rules and they are given a ban on some random weekday what do they have to loose when the server is empty on the day they recived their ban?
Most of these veteran players actually play on the very odd hours. Times that neither yourself nor I am online. They visit the server nearly every evening. A ban for them is still a removal of their game time and as you'll see further down, it stacks up against them.
Actually capturing the offending player on video. Uploading the video and filing a complaint. The apropriate admin reviewing the video and determing if there was indeed an infraction(this can take a few days). Applying the nessesary punishment.
It doesn't take a few days. Unless the report requires event log, in which case it takes
me an hour or two provided I'm not busy. The only time a player report actually takes longer than a day is if it's a repeat offender and the administration discuss a longer than usual ban time collectively.
All the bans stack up in the ban list:
https://forum.helloclan.eu/forums/121/
This means that their ban times are going to be longer if they are repeat offenders. If they don't break the rules in a reasonable amount of time, then they're back on normal 24hr bans. If that is still considered a slap on the wrist from some, I'm sorry but it's how it's done.
I realize everyone in this decision tree is doing their best to ensure the server rules are followed, but when the offending player recieves a punishment that really does not impact their game play are the actions taken actually punitive. This is why I believe enforcing a 24 hour ban could be applied on a weekend day when we typically have much higer server numbers rather than on a day when the server is empty.
Look at it this way, our veteran players know our rules. Yes, this is fact and I'm not arguing against that. However, they also make up a large percentage of our player base. Them being caught in the first place is a punishment all on it's own and whether you wish to consider it or not, I'm on the receiving end when such bans against such players are made. I speak to them, take the time to pacify the situation and ensure that they do their best not to do it again.
I agree with hard rice,. One of the reasons is that there are few players, specifically two three maybe four who deliberately break the rules, knowing what they do among other things because they receive a small punishment for that, in my opinion it is unfair, it is more it would be the opposite for being players Knowing the rules of the game and intentionally breaking them should be greater.
In fact last night playing there were two cases, one with a player already knows the rules very well, he did main monkfish he killed me he stole the heli taking advantage of my death, I asked him for having done main monkfish and then killing me to return the heli and I said his answer was Silence, that same player changed teams to get my heli and when I saw that I was going to catch it, I shot myself but I couldn't take my whole life.
Do you think that player should receive a prize to be able to play when there are many players? Do you think he didn't know that he can't do main angler, kill me doing main angler shoot me while on the same team intentionally?
Hello Silvia,
As I responded to Rice above, all the bans will stack up. If they prove they only join to disrupt the game, their bans will grow longer. Whether their ban is applied on a week day or a weekend, they are punished all the same.
If you don't want to report them, is it not the same as giving them that achievement and letting them get away with it? With no actions taken against them...
If the player was a new player, of course I don't expect them to know our rules but they still get punished with the base 24hr ban. I'm probably going to get flak for that too, but it is our rules.
The other case was to the contrary, he made several main monkfish specifically 3 and after warning each one of them that it would be reported, he asked why and it seemed that he did not know the rules ... in this case I see normal and logical not to report it or expel it for 1 day, simply to warn him and explain.
I thank you for taking that time, but again I must remind you that if you choose not to report players, even new ones, it does backfire eventually. There is also the possibility that you are talking to an existing player that just changed their name and feigned ignorance or trolled you. That is why we ask for the reports, so we can confirm who they are and whether they are new or not.
I agree with @hard_rice I'm not saying ban new players who are unaware of server rules, but old players (or old players with new names) who know the rules and are deliberately breaking them even after warning should be banned on weekdays and weekends. Only weekday bans are ineffective and are not preventing such players from breaking the rules again. I realize that admins have to do a delicate balance between enforcing rules while retaining player numbers, but from what I have seen, some other players leave the game when rules are repeatedly broken and there are no admins available to kick & ban such players
Fom my original statement:
When vetern players capriciously break the rules and they are given a ban on some random weekday what do they have to loose when the server is empty on the day they recived their ban?
Vetern Players
Al, Rice, I'm going to answer you both here along with Silvia to hopefully prove that things do get done. I'm going to, as neatly and nicely as possible, rehash the player reports I've received from each of you;
Rice, let's quickly look back at your reports, from most recent to earliest:
- Most recent report is discounted.
- The report prior was a new player, bans applied accordingly.
- The report prior, was Nov 8th, and it was a staff related report which was disproved.
- The report prior, was Oct 23rd, and it was a report on a player and a staff member. It was also disproved.
- The report prior, was Aug 9th, and it was a staff report on the same staff member as Nov 8th. It too was disproved.
Please note, there is admin reports and I've mentioned them in this case because you still submitted them via the player report function and not the staff report function.
These reports are from this year, since your...leave. Five reports in total, three disproved, one discounted and one on a new player. I'm posting them because no bans were made. Therefore I'm still protecting your right to anonymity with your reports.
Al, I have three reports this year from you:
- Most recent report was Oct 31st, it was a regular player, however your report was disproved. I got in touch with you to clarify it.
- The report prior, was Oct 25th, it was a veteran, however it too was disproved. I also got in touch with you to clarify it.
- The report prior, was also in October. It had regular player(s). Their ban(s) were applied accordingly.
I'm also posting that there to share the light a bit more, but still protecting your right to anonymity with your reports.
Silvia, I have a few reports from you:
Most of them were on a specific veteran player. A few of them were disproved because they had no grounds for action to be taken. However a particular case saw a triple event, and one case also saw an extended ban based off previous actions. I'm not listing those because it's a hell of a lot and it'll paint an easy timeline of those who you reported.
The point that I'm making here is that punishments do get applied, when there is grounds to do so. The very few (and I mean really very few) reports we get in on regular / veteran players are often very minor but we still apply the punishment as it adds up to their accounts. The major reports, or the cases of a clear repeat offender, well you can just take a look at our banlist and you can see the proof there. They get dealt with.
Trust me, I'm on the one that answers to them.
Remember, we're not using the old Repeat Offender system. If I see someone was banned recently, their next ban is going to be longer. Unless they've behaved for a reasonable amount of time, then they start anew.
I've left it vague enough to allow Admins to do their duties, but also fair enough to treat everyone as near equal as possible. So, to finally answer your topic Rice, along with the agreements of Al and Silvia;
No. I will not be making it an absolute rule that reported players need to have their punishments applied at peak times. Veterans, or new players will be treated the same. If their punishment falls on a weekend, good and well. If it does not, they are punished still and their name goes on the ban list as a record.
The most absolute thing here is that each player has their own time that they prefer to play. Again, in cases of most veteran players, they genuinely do play on odd hours thus when they're banned in the middle of the week for example, they are hindered and left disappointed.
Yes, I understand that nearly everyone tries to join us over weekends, but if they behaved after their official ban during the week preceding it, has the ban not served it's purpose?
Punishments are there to remind those of our rules. If they behave afterwards, good and well. If they repeatedly break our rules, their punishments get worse and worse. There are a few cases that can prove that point.
Regards,
Ice
