Admin Power

[TonyB]

I get it, I'm not running the show. But if I were, and considering the quality of admins here which I find to be outstanding, I would give them this power:

1. Admins may ban any player for 24 hours for any rules violation they see.

2. Any player who has been banned at least three times within three months will now be banned for one month. If they do it again within six months, they receive a three month ban.

3. Any player who switches teams when teams are even, and the game has not pushed them via team balance, can be kicked from the server. When they come back, they are warned. If they do it again, ban one day. The exception is the start of the map. Players can pick teams at the start but once team balance kicks in and they get pushed to the other team, they must remain their.

4. If the player complains in the forums, then the admin should respond.

Let's put a stop to the in-game nonsense and let the admins manage the server without fear of being punished.

Yours truly,

pinky

 

[SucceededKiller]

What you are proposing will be completely open to abuse and detrimental to the server as a whole.

Regular, well known, players will almost certainly never get the instant 24 hour ban, whereas others will because people don't like them. The current system treats everyone fairly.

3 times in 3 months? 1 ban a month and you're gone for a whole month? We're trying to keep the game alive...people just wouldn't bother coming back when 1 ban in an entire month over 3 months can add up enough to remove you for that long. Especially if admins are handing out 24 hour bans whenever they feel like it.

In combination with banning people who teamswitch, we'd probably lose a significant amount of players.

Switching teams at the start can be more detrimental than switching mid-game. Take irving, if everyone goes US at the start the NVA is at such a disadvantage that they will struggle to recover from it, if they can at all. The same for Cambodian incursion,ho chi minh trail and reclaiming hue to name a few more where a starting unbalanced team can mess up the game.

And admins do respond when a player complains in the forum?

If players want to put an end to the rulebreaking, all they need to do is report it here with the map stat page. I'm not even asking for evidence anymore, although I'd prefer it, and I'll do all the hard work myself in tracking down proof. I don't think I can do any better than that, so if you want to help fix players getting away with breaking rules as no admins are on, get players to come here and report it.

 

[TonyB]

What you are proposing will be completely open to abuse and detrimental to the server as a whole.

Regular, well known, players will almost certainly never get the instant 24 hour ban, whereas others will because people don't like them. The current system treats everyone fairly.

SK, it sounds to me like you don't trust your admins. If that's all the faith you have in them, I'm surprised any of them are willing to do the job. So you think Vmax is going to be abusive? Will he abuse the rules? Robo too? NME? I wouldn't be one lick concerned with these guys abusing their power. They need to be entrusted with the power to stomp on Lesuk and Vasok. Perhaps then we won't have players leaving the server because of the never-ending rape by these two thugs.

 

[SucceededKiller]

When you have rules completely open to interpretation, you run the risk of it happening. There's nothing fair about singling out certain players, or punishing certain players more than others. It's not about not trusting people, it's about preventing that sort of situation from ever happening.

If you say "24 hour bans can be handed out for anything you feel like", are you saying there will be no bias at all, from anyone, intentional or not? You already believe Vasok, as one example, gets preferential treatment because of how long he has played. Are you not implying there is already a bias in place?

You are repeatedly singling out certain players too. It's not "if someone does x things they get y punishment" It's "if nagi" or "if vasok" or "if player" or "if lesuk". What about everyone else? It's already showing a bias towards certain players, rather than the actions.

We should not be making rules that specifically target people.

 

[Rambo FlamingDart]

3 times in 3 months? 1 ban a month and you're gone for a whole month? We're trying to keep the game alive...people just wouldn't bother coming back when 1 ban in an entire month over 3 months can add up enough to remove you for that long. Especially if admins are handing out 24 hour bans whenever they feel like it.

The problem with this point is that players know they can break the rules from time to time and they get no longer ban because you're afraid of loosing players on the last BFV server.

Some time ago when I was admin on one the last populated bfv 1.21 server we had very strict rules.
1. Warning
2. Kick
3. Ban (whatever rule it was ) min 3 days
4. Ban a week
5. Ban 1 to 3 months
6. Permanet ban (includes hacking and bypassing a ban)
And without a trial period to clear your warning history. So if you ever got a ban you were banned longer next time.
After a year we cleared the history (except bans for hacking)

I was a lot confronted with punished players accusing me of killing the server because a lot of people got long bans. However our team and I agreed that it's important to stay hard here. If people know they will be banned they will highly watch out to not break a rule. And they will no longer disturb all the other fair players. In the end we got more player than at the beginning. Because more new people joined us enjoying the good atmosphere other than the few that were banned.

Hope my point of view can give some inputs to the discussion
Greets

 

[TonyB]

The problem with this point is that players know they can break the rules from time to time and they get no longer ban because you're afraid of loosing players on the last BFV server.

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I was a lot confronted with punished players accusing me of killing the server because a lot of people got long bans. However our team and I agreed that it's important to stay hard here. If people know they will be banned they will highly watch out to not break a rule. And they will no longer disturb all the other fair players. In the end we got more player than at the beginning. Because more new people joined us enjoying the good atmosphere other than the few that were banned.

Hope my point of view can give some inputs to the discussion
Greets

You make some very good points. I have been trying to get these points across for some time. But I seem to get nowhere. Nagi and other thugs know that there are no rules. They can deal with the piddly-dink punishments that get handed out.

What we have, essentially, is the inmates are running the asylum. And I can't seem to get this point across. Perhaps it takes years of living. Someday they will get it.