Vietminh and Nuclearpoopie

SucceededKiller · Apr 17, 2016

Banned Player: Vietminh & Nuclearpoopie
Reason: Deliberately malicious actions with the sole intent of causing trouble.
Action(s) taken: 9 warnings and 11 kicks/bans across the past week between them.
Now on a permanent ban with a chance to appeal in 1 month.
Evidence:

The following previous ban, and it's reasons
viewtopic.php?f=39&t=7276#p54856

This additional chat that happened at the same time as the previous ban:

Vietminh =UpeoMINH_0,[AirCav] SecondAbortion, [AirCav] AbortionShaun, [AirCav] Abortabel, [AirCav] Miscarriage
Nuclear = [AirCav] Fudgebortion, [AirCav] Prolapse, [Global] [AirCav] I's Skater, DD

Code:

2016-04-09 16:54:25 : # [Global] UpeoMINH_0: nobody leaves until my period is over 
2016-04-09 16:55:24 : # [Global] [AirCav] SecondAbortion: there we go  
2016-04-09 16:58:46 : # [RED] [AirCav] Fudgebortion: Secondabortion, are you going to have your third abortion soon?  
2016-04-09 16:59:05 : # [Global] [AirCav] SecondAbortion: ya i found a good set of stairs 
2016-04-09 17:03:41 : # [Global] [AirCav] AbortionShaun: ohhh  
2016-04-09 17:04:07 : # [Global] [AirCav] Fudgebortion: Hey guys, [AirCav] is expanding  
2016-04-09 17:04:21 : # [Global] [AirCav] AbortionShaun: horizontally  
2016-04-09 17:04:51 : # [Global] [AirCav] AbortionShaun: okay  
2016-04-09 17:05:41 : # [Global] [AirCav] Abortabel: oh ya  
2016-04-09 17:07:43 : # [RED] [AirCav] Miscarriage: ;D  
2016-04-09 17:07:43 : # [Global] [AirCav] Fudgebortion: 9/11 
2016-04-09 17:09:27 : # [Global] [AirCav] Miscarriage: hacking accusations  
2016-04-09 17:10:05 : # [Global] [AirCav] Miscarriage: rectal prolapse  
2016-04-09 17:10:39 : # [Global] [AirCav] Prolapse: SK  
2016-04-09 17:11:06 : # [Global] [AirCav] Prolapse: Senpai Notice me 
2016-04-09 17:13:17 : # [Global] [AirCav] Prolapse: SK, will you marry me? 
2016-04-09 17:13:45 : # [Global] [AirCav] Miscarriage: ur mine bitch  
2016-04-09 17:13:46 : # [BLUE] [AirCav] Prolapse: 3rd user  
2016-04-09 17:13:47 : # [BLUE] [AirCav] Prolapse: Shh 
2016-04-09 17:14:42 : # [Global] [AirCav] Miscarriage: hips and lips done  
2016-04-09 17:15:29 : # [BLUE] [AirCav] Prolapse: Miscarriage, change channels  
2016-04-09 17:15:31 : # [BLUE] [AirCav] Prolapse: Yes 
2016-04-09 17:18:23 : # [Global] [AirCav] Miscarriage: quit watching me you voyeur perv 
2016-04-09 17:19:21 : # [Global] [AirCav] Miscarriage: the I's have it whores  
2016-04-09 17:20:41 : # [Global] [AirCav] Miscarriage: sorry  
2016-04-09 17:20:50 : # [Global] [AirCav] Miscarriage: accidente  
2016-04-09 17:21:13 : # [Global] [AirCav] Miscarriage: the roof, the roof  
2016-04-09 17:21:15 : # [Global] [AirCav] I's Skater, DD: SK, what assault rifle is superior  
2016-04-09 17:21:16 : # [Global] [AirCav] Miscarriage: the roof is on fire  
2016-04-09 17:21:23 : # [Global] [AirCav] I's Skater, DD: The F2000 or the L85A2?  
2016-04-09 17:22:09 : # [Global] [AirCav] I's Skater, DD: Hey Iceskater, why aren't you playing anymore?  
2016-04-09 17:22:10 : # [Global] [AirCav] I's Skater, DD: are you AFK?  
2016-04-09 17:22:16 : # [Global] [AirCav] Miscarriage: he's a perv  
2016-04-09 17:22:26 : # [Global] [AirCav] I's Skater, DD: SK  
2016-04-09 17:22:27 : # [Global] [AirCav] Miscarriage: kick all AFK, high ping and pervs  
2016-04-09 17:24:36 : # [Global] [AirCav] Miscarriage: has anyone else ever had an abortion 
2016-04-09 17:28:52 : # [Global] [AirCav] I's Skater, DD: This game is no fun w/o Miscarriage

SucceededKiller said:
The idea was to allow names and chat that would be considered sexual, but was not ever intended to allow the sort of back and forth chat Vietminh and Nuclear have going on. Some of the stuff Doen says, for instance, is sexual, but at the same time mostly harmless. Full retard does the same, but again not much of an issue.

Names like
Faptastic
emwolb
flaccid
Joe Suna
Phil Layshio

You can class all these as sexual, but they are harmless in nature and not meant to cause trouble.

So what I think we need to do, is be a lot stricter on the chat we see from Vietminh and Nuclear, especially when it devolves into insulting like "fag", because it's not just once they say it, but instead multiple times. Pretty much everything they say now is sexual chat and, while the game may be rated teen, we do get younger players.

We can't go punishing them whenever they say something sexual, but "fag" for example is insulting and can be dealt with when excessive. If everything they say is sexual that's clearly not reasonable. We do need to make sure we uphold this the same with all our players though.

Of course, if a player asks them to stop then they are expected to, assuming the request is reasonable.

At one point we even had the following:

Nu(clearPoopie: Blackhawk sent us orders
Nu(clearPoopie: New, old gave us orders

And as I told the rest of the admins:

SucceededKiller said:
If you guys see anything like this in the future, that implies Blackhawk is using them as a proxy because of his ban, you can give them a 24 hour ban instantly, no warning. This might not be in line with our warn, kick, ban system, but neither is ban evading which is technically what they are facilitating. I'm not having Blackhawk use them as a foot in the door, and if we have to be a little stricter to do that then I don't have an issue with it.

Some players asked us to kick them, some asked us how the ignore function works. Things we don't usually get from players, but which clearly they felt was required. I think this goes to show that anything they wanted to "prove", went too far.

On the 6th April, Vietminh made the following topic regarding Abel:
viewtopic.php?f=38&t=7264

Abel might not be perfect, but his behaviour is nowhere near what we've seen from Vietminh and Nuclear recently. We recently detailed our courses of action, which does do a better job of dealing with people like Abel who may be less than savoury at times, but don't really mean to be rude. They get annoyed or frustrated and let it out on the server. Perhaps I'm wrong, perhaps Abel's actions are malicious in nature, but from the interactions I've had with him I feel otherwise. Either way, the sort of behaviour he used to conduct on the server regarding language wont work anymore.

Since these detailed courses of action went public, it's been much easier to deal with situations where we perhaps struggled in the past.

However, since that post, when we didn't give in to the changes Vietminh wanted, both he and Nuclear have been on a campaign to cause trouble. Choosing inappropriate names, using inappropriate language, Teamkilling.

In fact, Vietminh even admitted this was his goal:
viewtopic.php?f=38&t=7295&p=54962#p54962
viewtopic.php?f=38&t=7295&p=54962#p54975

And in PM's to other users of the forum:

vietminh1 said:
Lol I can't believe you took my bait man! I knew hard_rice would because he's a 10 cents short of a dollar but you knooooowww how people like Blackhawk are, they just stick the knife in and wait for you to move so you twist it.

Anyhow, I messaged SK and explained the situation in more depth than the forums. I told him I'm done playing the Blackhawk character because I can see the point I was trying to make was flawed from the outset. All the ridiculously specific rules are needed to prevent admins from taking the bait like I laid and abusing their powers.

See you on the server.

vietminh1 said:
This is a more complete account of what went down than is in the forums. I just sent it to SK, Shaun most definitely stepped outside the rules and hard_rice and pinky did some fairly unadmin like stuff. I didn't expect that they'd crack like that from my behaviour.

Anyhow, as you can see at the bottom I'm done playing the New_Blackhawk character because I can see that my thinking was completely flawed.

vietminh1 said:
Whatever you may think of me I can't believe you'd randomly ban me for literally nothing and let Hard_Rice teamkill me 3 times in a row and let pinky try to help him pretend it was lag. I also can't believe you'd hand out a back to back kick then warning to Josh then ban him when it got back in the server.

I went into this thinking you were all about the rules and needed to loosen up to crack down but I can see that's only half the problem. The other half is when you get pissed you just do what you want regardless of the rules. I never got why SK had all those specific guidelines for admins but I see why now. You should all be stripped of your adminships for that little shit show.

vietminh1 said:
As for my situation. Ya I was trying to bother Hard_Rice by adding him to buddy and going where he went but he can't give me a warning for disruptive play for simply being near him.
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For my part, if you think this ban is merited then I'll serve it but I think it should be removed. I know I said that the other day because I was playing the New_Blackhawk "character", obviously I know I pushed you off the roof twice.

All that said, Josh's ban should most definitely be removed immediately, he literally didn't do anything at all to earn a ban, not even remotely. I was the one being the shit disturber.

Last but not least, for your satisfaction: I acknowledge that I didn't end up proving the point I set out to prove. I thought you and Shaun needed to loosen the rules and crack down on the jackasses and I thought if I acted like a complete jackass I'd cause the rules to be changed to make that happen (in that way that =UPEO= caused the main rape rule to be created).

I'm also going to revert to playing under [AirCav] Vietminh, Col. As I say, I set out to prove a point and I can see that the basis I tried to prove it on was flawed so it's the least I can do to make up for that.

Vietminh is right in 2 things:

1) Some of the admins should not have acted the way they did, that has been dealt with.
2) As per the guidelines, neither he nor Nuclear should have received a ban when they did the other night. Ice knows this, and he told me as much as soon as it happened.

However, at least regarding admins that broke the guidelines themselves, I'm not going to punish any of my admins for eventually breaking when 2 players were doing their best to make that happen. Everyone has a breaking point, and he may have found theirs, but that's not their fault. Nothing that happened over the past week is anything like how a normal day on BFV is. You can go through the website stats at bfv/stats if you wish, and you'll see that a normal week is, well, normal. The occasional insulting, the occasional rule breaking; the same with every game. Not a planned and calculated campaign against the admins. which the players also had to suffer through.

I can't make rules for everything, I can't cover every single possible scenario; what I can do though, and what I've been entrusted to do, is do what's best for BFV, our server and our players.

As far as I'm concerned, that means keeping people like this, who were not here to play the game the entire week but instead to stir up as much trouble as possible, out of the server.

If any of you don't like this decision, you can take it up with me as I made this call. However, the final decision on specifics was debated amongst all the admins.

When I make anyone an admin I do not expect them to have to endure the level of abuse they have had to recently. These players volunteer game time to make sure the simple rules we do have are followed, they don't agree to be targets of a hate campaign, especially when I'm the one making the final decisions, even if they are involved in the process.

Our players should also be able to do what they come to our server to do, which is play the game. Not read the sort of chat that occurred recently or deal with the actions of disgruntled players who were not making any attempt to just get on with the game.

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