Why Version 1.2?

[properauthority]

Just curious why the admins have decided to run the server on v1.2.

What benefits do you seek as to running v1.2 instead of 1.21 or even the v1.0.

Thanks for your responses!

 

[SucceededKiller]

We've been on 1.2 for as long as I recall, but I don't know the reasons why. I would assume it's because it is the version people are on when they first install the game, and as such it makes it easier for them to join us; especially as you must download a patch from online rather than through the game now.

1.21 doesn't change much either, so it wouldn't really be worth the hassle.

 

[mRoRange]

We've been on 1.2 for as long as I recall, but I don't know the reasons why. I would assume it's because it is the version people are on when they first install the game, and as such it makes it easier for them to join us; especially as you must download a patch from online rather than through the game now.

1.21 doesn't change much either, so it wouldn't really be worth the hassle.

Wrong !

There is quite a few advantages of running the latest version of BFV with the latest version of remote manager.

- bug fixes
( many issues fixed with splash damages from various weapons that gets bundled as " he just hacked" )
- Punk Buster ( not perfect by any means but offers a single layer of cheat protection)
- Latest ver of PB catches rookie cheaters and weeds out serial #'s banned for cheating that Hello doesn't have on their list currently.
- Many map exploits and glitches fixed in the latest version, just read what was updated
- Latest version of Remote manager incorporates screen shots that shows admin level of detail and no need to record silly movies.

I can go on and on, but please don't say it wont really help.

Yes, from a standpoint of not upgrading it is easy to say " don't change anything or do anything." its easier to do less if one doesn't have the time.

Ive been playing this game along time and the updates were used widely and often over the years . Mainly, only not by Hello. Its not the advantages' are not useful, they do help and offer a min amount of hack protection.

I helped TKO admin and manage theyre server, it was a useful tool to catch hackers proactively and passively.

That is if " A person or a group is interested in that level of management"

If you have ever seen a true screen shot with the latest ver of Remote Manager, you will see why movies are not needed and a waste of time. It was designed to catch hackers and its proven to work.

Ask Helo Killer next time he's on, he knows the value of what I'm saying and they single handedly ( Jessica Rabbit caught an insane of amount of hackers with the latest ver of BFV and Remote manager. These are facts not opinions.

The question is , can you invest time in upgrading and at our ( the community) request. If not we understand it takes time and man hours to do.

But, the statement that it doesn't really do anything is false.

Just wanted to clarify that.

 

[SucceededKiller]

- bug fixes ( many issues fixed with splash damages from various weapons that gets bundled as " he just hacked" ) - Punk Buster ( not perfect by any means but offers a single layer of cheat protection) - Latest ver of PB catches rookie cheaters and weeds out serial #'s banned for cheating that Hello doesn't have on their list currently. - Many map exploits and glitches fixed in the latest version, just read what was updated - Latest version of Remote manager incorporates screen shots that shows admin level of detail and no need to record silly movies.

Can you prove any of this for 1.21?

http://www.fileplanet.com/148135/140000 ... 1.21-Patch

This is a new patch for Battlefield vietnam adressing an undisclosed exploit with the game directly from Electronic Arts. This patch is required!

It fixes a single exploit, nothing else. Unless you can find differently as this is all I can find for 1.2

I see no reason punkbuster wouldn't work on version 1.2 In fact, this server is running 1.2 and punkbuster:
https://www.gametracker.com/server_info ... variables/

There is no newer version of RM than 2.01, which is what we run. The screenshot functionality you talk about is part of Punkbuster, the RM just provides a method of using it.

 

[mRoRange]

really

 

[mRoRange]

I did forget to mention PB in the first reply.

I am just trying to make the point that all of this considered does make a difference.
If using the latest ver of BFV and PB.

You made a statement that simply it does nothing if anything at all.

I don't agree with that statement and many admins from other servers and will tell you the same from previous exp. And many of the hackers were caught using the updated files I mention.

My frustration is with your comment, you casually discount all updates and say that it may prevent others from joining. Anyone who plays video games on the latest servers update regularly and they have to.
So lets not say updates are an issue. Updates are facts of life with operating systems, software, mobile devices and the list goes on.


If you guys don't want to update, say it and gives us a simple answer .
And then its done.

But to make all these excuses that updates will do this ,it can cause people to do this , can you prove this , etc, its really a lame excuse.

Admins are working harder because PB is not running, and you guys have to manually add new cd keys to be banned from the key gen guy. Hackers are getting away with murder because you want all these videos to be made. Always giving the hackers the edge because all the extra work an admin has to do. That's all im saying.

Give the admins a few tools , to quickly catch and clean it up. But giving huge responses on how this guy is innocent because a 30 min video doesn't exist is lame.

http://www.gamespot.com/articles/battle ... 0-6103655/

 

[Alphascout]

we have been running this server like this for years.... years....

im sure SK will weigh in on this more...

but the last time i checked SK decides what happens... we know from experience what can happen if we do this... its not like we have never talked about it but we have indeed sided against it in the past.

 

[mRoRange]

That's a good response and I appreciate that !

I do realize there are many factors and many of them stem from the version being consistent and not changing anything at all over the years.

It seems the population is kind of set here and some changes in that direction could help. The ones that play here on a regular basis would be inclined to add a file or run PB or update to play here.

However, the FF test didn't work either as I recall which was a great idea and headed in the right direction.
Not sure why that didn't work and maybe your right any change may simply effect to many players.

Its a fickle bunch !

 

[TonyB]

I too believe that Punkbuster should be enabled and the game updated. When I first came to HELLO, April, 2013 or so, I was befriended by Flowers. I recall chatting with him then about some questionable play I was seeing on the server. Having run a BFV server and having been an admin when Klink took over Helokillers BFV, I knew the client had a screenshot feature.

I asked Flower if he ever used that feature. He had never heard of it. I don't recall if he said the option was "grayed out" or it just didn't work. It is an option but I cannot see that it is enabled.

Players can update the game. We can instruct them all kinds of workarounds Windows 10, it would seem that updating the game would be easy.

Got my vote to update and load up Punkbuster.

pinky

 

[michuneo]

I was wondering about 1.2 reason as well. When difficult questions are in the air, it's time to make a pros/cons list

Pros:
- PB on is better than off. I remember some successful bans on JOLT after taking PB screens, e.g. you can clearly see who is using maphack instantly. I guess it might be hard to recall an experienced player from someone using maphack - videos might not be a solid argument in that particular case
- advantage of joining any 1.21 server without fiddling and having 2vers. of BFV. Majority of servers are 1.21 in'it?
- Differences between 1.2 and 1.21v are often disputable but despite of that I'd also tend into the more recent version.


Cons:
- PB is infamous rather than famous and it can be pain in the **** sometimes, bearing in mind players rather than admins.
- Necessity of installing a patch / PB
- All people are having 1.2 because of HELLO (and few other servers) still running it. Access to the rest will be obviously lost. I believe =KGC= server might be one of those.
- Will it make such a difference in 2016 when barely anyone is still playing BFV and most of us know each other anyway?

Not so easy to decide I believe...

Grizz

 

[SucceededKiller]

PB has been outdated for years now, and they ended all support for BFV. You wont find any mention of BFV on their website so updating it etc. can be a real pain.

I did test it on another server recently, but the screenshot function never worked. That's the only function that has the potential to be useful.
It was also kicking a player on our server not long ago, because they enabled it client-side, despite us not having it enabled on the server.

The hassle in getting everyone to install it, combined with the uncertainty of how well it'll work, doesn't seem worth the risk of changing what works for us now.

There is no real benefit to 1.21 over 1.2, at least in terms of what the patch provides. No improvements or new features, just a fix for a flaw that doesn't affect us. Just like with PB, we'd struggle to get everyone over.

1.2 is the version our ISO at forum.helloclan.eu/bfv/future installs, and what most people's discs install at; this makes joining our server as simple as installing the game, as there's no need to hunt for a patch now the auto-update in-game doesn't work.

We're pretty much the only, active, BFV server left. Sure, GRIFFIN on 1.21 gets some players, but nowhere near what we get. At the time of writing, we have 21 compared to their 1:
http://www.gametracker.com/search/bfv/

This works for us, and has done for years now. I'm not sure there's any reason we'd ever consider changing that considering the state the game is in.

 

[RoBoDuCk]

I would fancy that screenshot function, but as you say, it doesn't work, so the benefits of updating are non-existent and the risks of player-loss are best avoided. If it ain't broke don't fix it.