Server thoughts

[Prosthetic Head]

to be honest the term Mainrape should be cleared up.

main rape is not an attack on main. attacking helicopters landing or hovering is justified. as is dropping a few bombs while passing and defending yourself from aa fire.

what is not justified and is main rape would be a continued sustained attack with the purpose of preventing the opposition of spawning and making it generally a hell hole that's dangerous to spawn in that makes people want to quit the server

I stopped bombing the crap out of mains when the rules changed (before that to be honest and even then it was usually provoked) but I'll still get unwarned kicks for fly by even if the 30 seconds it usually take for the admin to kick i'm attacking players on the other side of the map - i usually go for vehicles or runners that are traveling from flag to flag or bombing own flags under attack. (Assuming there's no planes in the air)
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Even if you do disagree with a single attack being counted as mainrape - I reserve the ability to kill people shooting missiles and shooting mg's at me. Mains should not be used as a shield to shoot out from

 

[Capt. Canada]

Re: disrespectful

Prosthetic Head, let me start by stating that you are a player that I respect. I rarely have to warn you for anything. That being said, I will respectfully have to disagree with you on the main rape interpretation.

Main rape is an attack on main. That's all. You really cannot differentiate between someone making a pass and dropping a few bombs and someone who spends his entire time attacking main because someone is going to take liberties with the rule unless we enforce it stringently. And yes, I think this includes antiaircraft fire. I mean, they wouldn't be shooting at you if you weren't there. By the same token, if they are hiding in main and not taking flags, then it will not be long before their only flag will the their main.

 

[Prosthetic Head]

Re: disrespectful

just discussing my thoughts on it that's all.

to be honest what i would prefer to see would be to make it possible to kill yourself with explosions. I've seen servers before that change the settings so it was still not possible to kill team mates but perfectly possible to kill yourself by shooting a rocket at your feet or tnt or time bomb - it's led to some really annoying tactics. I just wish it was also possible to set 2/3rds the damage from explosions to foot solders (from rpg's and the under slung grenade launcher) taking a rocket to the face should still kill. It might lead to some deaths by actually getting shot as nothing but a direct hit would kill one shot

 

[SucceededKiller]

I believe FF was tried before and it didn't end very well.

Regarding the settings, you can modify it so it kills the person who used them but that also applies to teamkills.

If we had it set so splash damage was reflected then anything from mortar shells to F4 napalm would result in the user dying if it hits a teammate.

If it was Friendly fire reflected then heatseekers, bullets and some mines would kill our teammates.

Me and Toxic tried it a while back if you're interested in the chat:

2013-10-01 17:34:57 : # [Global] 360° Toxic Ft. [AK-47]: i dont believe we need to have FF on for it to work  

2013-10-01 17:35:11 : # [Global] 360° Toxic Ft. [AK-47]: i believe it should be just splash damage adjusted correctly  

2013-10-01 17:35:25 : # [Global] -[HELLO]-SK[CL]: Hmm.  

2013-10-01 17:36:08 : # [Global] 360° Toxic Ft. [AK-47]: i know its achieveable  

2013-10-01 17:36:47 : # [Global] -[HELLO]-SK[CL]: The setting now should reflect 100% of splash damage back to  

2013-10-01 17:36:48 : # [Global] -[HELLO]-SK[CL]: whever fired it  

2013-10-01 17:36:59 : # [Global] -[HELLO]-SK[CL]: But...it isn't.  

2013-10-01 17:37:02 : # [Global] 360° Toxic Ft. [AK-47]: restart?  

2013-10-01 17:37:20 : # [Global] -[HELLO]-SK[CL]: Can try.  

2013-10-01 17:38:58 : # [Global] 360° Toxic Ft. [AK-47]: wth  

2013-10-01 17:39:20 : # [Global] 360° Toxic Ft. [AK-47]: so does ff have to be on? maybe and turn the ff kickback off  

2013-10-01 17:39:31 : # [Global] -[HELLO]-SK[CL]: Hmm...  

2013-10-01 17:39:42 : # [Global] -[HELLO]-SK[CL]: I logged out then in on RM and the settings defaulted to 0  

2013-10-01 17:39:50 : User SucceededKiller changed game.serverKickbackOnSplash from 0 to 100.

2013-10-01 17:40:08 : # [Global] -[HELLO]-SK[CL]: Ja.  

2013-10-01 17:41:28 : # [BLUE] 360° Toxic Ft. [AK-47]: hmm...  

2013-10-01 17:41:46 : # [Global] 360° Toxic Ft. [AK-47]: i am gona open my rm quick and look also  

2013-10-01 17:42:10 : User SucceededKiller changed game.serverKickbackOnSplash from 0 to 100.

2013-10-01 17:42:49 : # [Global] 360° Toxic Ft. [AK-47]: why would they do that?  

2013-10-01 17:42:59 : # [Global] 360° Toxic Ft. [AK-47]: nothing  

2013-10-01 17:43:38 : # [BLUE] -[HELLO]-SK[CL]: !restart  

2013-10-01 17:45:26 : # [Global] 360° Toxic Ft. [AK-47]: i have friendly on mine  

2013-10-01 17:45:33 : # [Global] 360° Toxic Ft. [AK-47]: but i can turn the ff kickback  

2013-10-01 17:46:00 : # [Global] 360° Toxic Ft. [AK-47]: i wonder why it is not saving the settings in here  

2013-10-01 17:46:13 : # [Global] 360° Toxic Ft. [AK-47]: disturbing  

2013-10-01 17:46:18 : # [Global] 360° Toxic Ft. [AK-47]: irritating  

2013-10-01 17:47:27 : # [Global] 360° Toxic Ft. [AK-47]: soldier splash damage at 100  

2013-10-01 17:47:32 : # [Global] 360° Toxic Ft. [AK-47]: and hang on   

2013-10-01 17:48:22 : User SucceededKiller changed game.serverSoldierFriendlyFireOnSplash from 0 to 100.

2013-10-01 17:49:42 : # [Global] -[HELLO]-SK[CL]: ow  

2013-10-01 17:49:49 : # [Global] 360° Toxic Ft. [AK-47]: shit  

2013-10-01 17:50:00 : # [Global] -[HELLO]-SK[CL]: Handg on.  

2013-10-01 17:50:05 : User SucceededKiller changed game.serverSoldierFriendlyFireOnSplash from 100 to 0.

2013-10-01 17:51:41 : # [Global] 360° Toxic Ft. [AK-47]: ok  

2013-10-01 17:51:59 : # [Global] 360° Toxic Ft. [AK-47]: so cant we adjust it elsewhere  

2013-10-01 17:52:10 : # [Global] 360° Toxic Ft. [AK-47]: so that it wont effect the friendlies  

2013-10-01 17:52:37 : # [Global] 360° Toxic Ft. [AK-47]: so it only effects the originator  

2013-10-01 17:52:45 : # [Global] -[HELLO]-SK[CL]: Kickback makes it hurt whoecer fire it, so we need that.  

2013-10-01 17:52:53 : # [Global] -[HELLO]-SK[CL]: but that isn't working without normal FF on  

2013-10-01 17:53:02 : # [Global] 360° Toxic Ft. [AK-47]: hmmm  

2013-10-01 17:54:10 : # [Global] 360° Toxic Ft. [AK-47]: so if soldier ff is turned on but at 1% or whatever  

2013-10-01 17:55:23 : # [Global] 360° Toxic Ft. [AK-47]: ....theres got to be a way  

2013-10-01 17:55:40 : # [Global] 360° Toxic Ft. [AK-47]: im looking at mine too  

2013-10-01 17:55:56 : # [Global] 360° Toxic Ft. [AK-47]: trying to figure out how it can be adjusted, theres got to be a  

2013-10-01 17:55:57 : # [Global] 360° Toxic Ft. [AK-47]: way  

2013-10-01 17:56:49 : # [Global] 360° Toxic Ft. [AK-47]: ill tell you what i have on mine  

2013-10-01 17:57:06 : # [Global] 360° Toxic Ft. [AK-47]: we can set it so ff does a minimum damage to friendlies  

2013-10-01 17:57:11 : # [Global] 360° Toxic Ft. [AK-47]: yet kills the originator?  

2013-10-01 17:57:11 : # [Global] -[HELLO]-SK[CL]: atm i just have kickback on  

2013-10-01 17:57:26 : # [Global] -[HELLO]-SK[CL]: 5% is the lowest I think  

2013-10-01 17:57:27 : # [Global] 360° Toxic Ft. [AK-47]: and thats doing nothing to either of us?  

2013-10-01 17:57:36 : # [Global] 360° Toxic Ft. [AK-47]: no damage with just kickback  

2013-10-01 17:57:41 : # [Global] -[HELLO]-SK[CL]: nope  

2013-10-01 17:57:41 : # [Global] 360° Toxic Ft. [AK-47]: alright  

2013-10-01 17:57:47 : # [Global] 360° Toxic Ft. [AK-47]: lemme check mine  

2013-10-01 17:58:10 : # [Global] 360° Toxic Ft. [AK-47]: ive got soldier friendly at 65  

2013-10-01 17:58:16 : # [Global] 360° Toxic Ft. [AK-47]: and soldier splash at 68  

2013-10-01 17:58:27 : # [Global] 360° Toxic Ft. [AK-47]: hang on  

2013-10-01 17:59:04 : # [Global] 360° Toxic Ft. [AK-47]: and   

2013-10-01 17:59:42 : # [Global] 360° Toxic Ft. [AK-47]: i dont think it kills your teamate tho  

2013-10-01 18:00:06 : # [Global] 360° Toxic Ft. [AK-47]: i just dont know which one it is  

2013-10-01 18:00:12 : User SucceededKiller changed game.serverSoldierFriendlyFireOnSplash from 0 to 5.

2013-10-01 18:00:23 : # [Global] -[HELLO]-SK[CL]: ok...i'll try 5%  

2013-10-01 18:01:28 : # [Global] -[HELLO]-SK[CL]: only 5% damage to myself.  

2013-10-01 18:01:49 : # [Global] 360° Toxic Ft. [AK-47]: NONE TO YOU   

2013-10-01 18:01:56 : User SucceededKiller changed game.serverSoldierFriendlyFireOnSplash from 5 to 100.

2013-10-01 18:02:59 : # [Global] 360° Toxic Ft. [AK-47]: hahah  

2013-10-01 18:03:01 : # [Global] -[HELLO]-SK[CL]: xD  

2013-10-01 18:03:12 : # [Global] 360° Toxic Ft. [AK-47]: ok i die if i shoot my feet  

2013-10-01 18:03:12 : # [Global] -[HELLO]-SK[CL]: That hurts me too  

2013-10-01 18:03:19 : # [Global] 360° Toxic Ft. [AK-47]: so what did you change that time  

2013-10-01 18:03:48 : # [Global] -[HELLO]-SK[CL]: ok it des  

2013-10-01 18:03:53 : # [Global] 360° Toxic Ft. [AK-47]: lol alright  

2013-10-01 18:03:55 : # [Global] -[HELLO]-SK[CL]: if it is near you  

2013-10-01 18:03:59 : # [Global] 360° Toxic Ft. [AK-47]: rite  

2013-10-01 18:04:15 : # [Global] 360° Toxic Ft. [AK-47]: what was it at when it was 5 %  

2013-10-01 18:04:22 : # [Global] -[HELLO]-SK[CL]: it's at 100 now  

2013-10-01 18:04:33 : # [Global] 360° Toxic Ft. [AK-47]: cuz that didnt tk it just hurt me  

2013-10-01 18:04:33 : # [Global] -[HELLO]-SK[CL]: *damage  

2013-10-01 18:04:57 : # [Global] 360° Toxic Ft. [AK-47]: oh  

2013-10-01 18:05:31 : # [Global] 360° Toxic Ft. [AK-47]: so what is that then, splash?  

2013-10-01 18:05:45 : # [Global] -[HELLO]-SK[CL]: atm FF and kickback or splashare on  

2013-10-01 18:05:52 : # [Global] -[HELLO]-SK[CL]: *for splash are  

2013-10-01 18:06:25 : # [Global] 360° Toxic Ft. [AK-47]: but we dont want the tube to kill our teamate when it lands by   

2013-10-01 18:06:25 : # [Global] 360° Toxic Ft. [AK-47]: them  

2013-10-01 18:06:54 : User SucceededKiller changed game.serverSoldierFriendlyFireOnSplash from 100 to 0.

2013-10-01 18:07:04 : User SucceededKiller changed game.serverKickbackOnSplash from 100 to 200.

2013-10-01 18:08:41 : # [Global] -[HELLO]-SK[CL]: Seems so  

2013-10-01 18:08:44 : # [Global] 360° Toxic Ft. [AK-47]: hmmm  

2013-10-01 18:08:52 : # [Global] -[HELLO]-SK[CL]: al i've changed is turning FF off  

2013-10-01 18:08:56 : # [Global] -[HELLO]-SK[CL]: and keeping kickback  

2013-10-01 18:09:12 : # [Global] 360° Toxic Ft. [AK-47]: k so that makes sense than  

2013-10-01 18:09:30 : User SucceededKiller changed game.serverSoldierFriendlyFireOnSplash from 0 to 5.

2013-10-01 18:09:42 : # [Global] 360° Toxic Ft. [AK-47]: hmmm....  

2013-10-01 18:09:56 : # [Global] -[HELLO]-SK[CL]: But i don't kno what will count as "splash"  

2013-10-01 18:10:09 : # [Global] 360° Toxic Ft. [AK-47]: oh that hurt  

2013-10-01 18:10:44 : # [Global] 360° Toxic Ft. [AK-47]: lol  

2013-10-01 18:11:08 : # [Global] -[HELLO]-SK[CL]: Yes.  

2013-10-01 18:11:11 : # [Global] 360° Toxic Ft. [AK-47]: ok  

2013-10-01 18:11:26 : # [Global] 360° Toxic Ft. [AK-47]: is splash also on?  

2013-10-01 18:11:32 : # [Global] 360° Toxic Ft. [AK-47]: lol  

2013-10-01 18:11:36 : # [Global] -[HELLO]-SK[CL]: That barely hurt me  

2013-10-01 18:11:42 : # [Global] 360° Toxic Ft. [AK-47]: ok  

2013-10-01 18:11:48 : # [Global] 360° Toxic Ft. [AK-47]: sliver of health  

2013-10-01 18:11:55 : # [Global] 360° Toxic Ft. [AK-47]: still have 99%  

2013-10-01 18:12:20 : User SucceededKiller changed game.serverSoldierFriendlyFireOnSplash from 5 to 0.

2013-10-01 18:12:54 : # [Global] 360° Toxic Ft. [AK-47]: no damage  

2013-10-01 18:12:58 : # [Global] -[HELLO]-SK[CL]: sowe need FF...  

2013-10-01 18:12:58 : # [Global] 360° Toxic Ft. [AK-47]: nop  

2013-10-01 18:13:02 : # [Global] 360° Toxic Ft. [AK-47]: yep  

2013-10-01 18:13:05 : # [Global] -[HELLO]-SK[CL]: but that is going to cause problems  

2013-10-01 18:13:14 : User SucceededKiller changed game.serverSoldierFriendlyFireOnSplash from 0 to 5.

2013-10-01 18:13:19 : # [Global] 360° Toxic Ft. [AK-47]: so ff kickback?  

2013-10-01 18:13:28 : # [Global] -[HELLO]-SK[CL]: FF and kickback, yes  

2013-10-01 18:13:43 : # [Global] 360° Toxic Ft. [AK-47]: or splashdamage kickback  

2013-10-01 18:13:52 : # [Global] -[HELLO]-SK[CL]: only splash ones  

2013-10-01 18:13:57 : # [Global] -[HELLO]-SK[CL]: yeah..  

2013-10-01 18:14:03 : # [Global] -[HELLO]-SK[CL]: xD  

2013-10-01 18:14:26 : # [Global] -[HELLO]-SK[CL]: oh  

2013-10-01 18:14:39 : # [Global] -[HELLO]-SK[CL]: only if i'm close  

2013-10-01 18:14:47 : # [Global] -[HELLO]-SK[CL]: nothing  

2013-10-01 18:14:52 : # [Global] -[HELLO]-SK[CL]: so what hapened before..  

2013-10-01 18:15:02 : # [Global] 360° Toxic Ft. [AK-47]: idk  

2013-10-01 18:15:06 : # [Global] 360° Toxic Ft. [AK-47]: this is weird  

2013-10-01 18:15:42 : # [Global] -[HELLO]-SK[CL]: vehicle splash damage is not on. :S  

2013-10-01 18:15:52 : # [Global] 360° Toxic Ft. [AK-47]: lol  

2013-10-01 18:15:52 : # [Global] -[HELLO]-SK[CL]: why does it stillhurt you...  

2013-10-01 18:16:06 : # [Global] 360° Toxic Ft. [AK-47]: that only hurts a little  

2013-10-01 18:16:14 : # [Global] -[HELLO]-SK[CL]: it says it hurs me  

2013-10-01 18:16:29 : # [Global] -[HELLO]-SK[CL]: oh  

2013-10-01 18:16:34 : # [Global] -[HELLO]-SK[CL]: it doesn't update ina tank  

2013-10-01 18:16:42 : # [Global] -[HELLO]-SK[CL]: got out and most of my health is gone  

2013-10-01 18:17:12 : # [Global] -[HELLO]-SK[CL]: a  little  

2013-10-01 18:17:16 : # [Global] 360° Toxic Ft. [AK-47]: ic  

2013-10-01 18:18:35 : # [Global] 360° Toxic Ft. [AK-47]: without hurting your teamates  

2013-10-01 18:18:41 : # [Global] -[HELLO]-SK[CL]: Seems that way  

2013-10-01 18:19:39 : # [Global] -[HELLO]-SK[CL]: very little health loss  

2013-10-01 18:19:57 : # [Global] 360° Toxic Ft. [AK-47]: still half  

2013-10-01 18:20:03 : # [Global] -[HELLO]-SK[CL]: even stood next to you  

2013-10-01 18:20:06 : # [Global] -[HELLO]-SK[CL]: i only lose half  

2013-10-01 18:20:26 : # [Global] 360° Toxic Ft. [AK-47]: so which ones you have on atm  

2013-10-01 18:20:39 : # [Global] -[HELLO]-SK[CL]: splash 5  

2013-10-01 18:20:46 : # [Global] -[HELLO]-SK[CL]: splash kickback 200  

2013-10-01 18:22:05 : User SucceededKiller changed game.serverSoldierFriendlyFireOnSplash from 5 to 0.

2013-10-01 18:22:33 : User SucceededKiller changed game.serverSoldierFriendlyFireOnSplash from 0 to 5.

2013-10-01 18:23:22 : # [Global] -[HELLO]-SK[CL]: i lose about a quarter health from that  

2013-10-01 18:23:22 : # [Global] 360° Toxic Ft. [AK-47]: so we still kill our teamates   

2013-10-01 18:23:36 : # [Global] 360° Toxic Ft. [AK-47]: yep  

2013-10-01 18:23:46 : # [Global] 360° Toxic Ft. [AK-47]: how much damage did that do   

2013-10-01 18:24:12 : # [Global] -[HELLO]-SK[CL]: ja.  

2013-10-01 18:24:20 : # [Global] 360° Toxic Ft. [AK-47]: than it does to the friendly recievin  

2013-10-01 18:24:33 : # [Global] 360° Toxic Ft. [AK-47]: thats good  

2013-10-01 18:25:24 : # [Global] -[HELLO]-SK[CL]: ja  

2013-10-01 18:25:32 : # [Global] -[HELLO]-SK[CL]: well, ff splash  

2013-10-01 18:25:59 : # [Global] 360° Toxic Ft. [AK-47]: direct hits no damage  

2013-10-01 18:26:13 : # [Global] -[HELLO]-SK[CL]: Yeah, as than it is a projectile  

2013-10-01 18:26:27 : # [Global] 360° Toxic Ft. [AK-47]: if that barely hurts you thats good, how to make it hurt  

2013-10-01 18:26:30 : # [Global] 360° Toxic Ft. [AK-47]: the originator more  

2013-10-01 18:26:53 : # [Global] -[HELLO]-SK[CL]: i guess the splash kickback...as that's at 200  

2013-10-01 18:27:43 : # [Global] 360° Toxic Ft. [AK-47]: yea cuz that barely hurts me when i shoot my feet  

2013-10-01 18:28:06 : # [Global] 360° Toxic Ft. [AK-47]: like 5 %  

2013-10-01 18:28:07 : # [Global] -[HELLO]-SK[CL]: so it doesn't stop the foot shooting by enemies  

2013-10-01 18:29:04 : # [Global] 360° Toxic Ft. [AK-47]: you have ff kick back and splash damage kickback at 200%?  

2013-10-01 18:29:07 : # [Global] 360° Toxic Ft. [AK-47]: and ff 5%  

2013-10-01 18:29:17 : # [Global] -[HELLO]-SK[CL]: i have splash kickback at 200  

2013-10-01 18:29:23 : # [Global] -[HELLO]-SK[CL]: no ff kick back  

2013-10-01 18:29:35 : # [Global] 360° Toxic Ft. [AK-47]: add a lil ff kickback?  

2013-10-01 18:29:45 : # [Global] -[HELLO]-SK[CL]: But then bullets start hurting too.  

2013-10-01 18:29:54 : # [Global] 360° Toxic Ft. [AK-47]: icic  

2013-10-01 18:29:57 : # [Global] -[HELLO]-SK[CL]: mines and bettys as well I expect.  

2013-10-01 18:30:03 : # [Global] -[HELLO]-SK[CL]: as something must affect them  

2013-10-01 18:30:11 : # [Global] -[HELLO]-SK[CL]: Just be TKing everywhere. :P  

2013-10-01 18:30:18 : # [Global] 360° Toxic Ft. [AK-47]: lol yea  

2013-10-01 18:30:41 : # [Global] 360° Toxic Ft. [AK-47]: teamates  

2013-10-01 18:31:42 : # [Global] -[HELLO]-SK[CL]: 5  

2013-10-01 18:31:59 : # [Global] -[HELLO]-SK[CL]: ahh, no. jst splash  

2013-10-01 18:32:07 : # [Global] -[HELLO]-SK[CL]: not touched non-splash settings.  

2013-10-01 18:32:24 : # [Global] 360° Toxic Ft. [AK-47]: so if splash is at 5%  

2013-10-01 18:32:34 : # [Global] 360° Toxic Ft. [AK-47]: what if its changed to 25%  

2013-10-01 18:32:49 : User SucceededKiller changed game.serverSoldierFriendlyFireOnSplash from 5 to 20.

2013-10-01 18:32:54 : # [Global] 360° Toxic Ft. [AK-47]: does it do that much damage to your teamates than also?  

2013-10-01 18:33:02 : # [Global] -[HELLO]-SK[CL]: barely hurt  

2013-10-01 18:33:16 : # [Global] =DeadCon=Deadly =)^[CL]: derp  

2013-10-01 18:33:24 : # [Global] =DeadCon=Deadly =)^[CL]: anyway  

2013-10-01 18:33:35 : # [Global] =DeadCon=Deadly =)^[CL]: i gtg dinner  

2013-10-01 18:33:39 : # [Global] -[HELLO]-SK[CL]: Cya.  

2013-10-01 18:33:43 : # [Global] -[HELLO]-SK[CL]: !restart  

2013-10-01 18:33:55 : # [BLUE] -[HELLO]-SK[CL]: !restart  

2013-10-01 18:33:56 : User SucceededKiller at game restarted the current map.

2013-10-01 18:34:14 : # [Global] -[HELLO]-SK[CL]: it is at 20 now  

2013-10-01 18:34:23 : # [Global] 360° Toxic Ft. [AK-47]: oh  

2013-10-01 18:34:30 : # [Global] 360° Toxic Ft. [AK-47]: i dide when i shot my feet  

2013-10-01 18:34:36 : # [Global] -[HELLO]-SK[CL]: half health  

2013-10-01 18:34:41 : # [Global] -[HELLO]-SK[CL]: when i shot near you  

2013-10-01 18:34:54 : # [Global] 360° Toxic Ft. [AK-47]: ok  

2013-10-01 18:35:04 : # [Global] -[HELLO]-SK[CL]: without being in it  

2013-10-01 18:35:08 : # [Global] 360° Toxic Ft. [AK-47]: lol  

2013-10-01 18:35:30 : # [Global] 360° Toxic Ft. [AK-47]: ohch  

2013-10-01 18:35:35 : # [Global] 360° Toxic Ft. [AK-47]: that almost killed me  

2013-10-01 18:36:29 : # [Global] -[HELLO]-SK[CL]: i live  

2013-10-01 18:36:33 : # [Global] 360° Toxic Ft. [AK-47]: lol  

2013-10-01 18:36:36 : # [Global] 360° Toxic Ft. [AK-47]: how much hp  

2013-10-01 18:36:40 : # [Global] -[HELLO]-SK[CL]: gone  

2013-10-01 18:36:43 : # [Global] 360° Toxic Ft. [AK-47]: ffs  

2013-10-01 18:36:55 : # [Global] 360° Toxic Ft. [AK-47]: thats at 20?  

2013-10-01 18:37:50 : # [Global] 360° Toxic Ft. [AK-47]: 4th one kills  

2013-10-01 18:37:57 : # [Global] 360° Toxic Ft. [AK-47]: doh  

2013-10-01 18:39:00 : # [Global] 360° Toxic Ft. [AK-47]: yea  

2013-10-01 18:39:06 : # [Global] 360° Toxic Ft. [AK-47]: they should kill ya  

2013-10-01 18:39:13 : # [Global] 360° Toxic Ft. [AK-47]: like they do the enemy  

2013-10-01 18:39:50 : # [Global] 360° Toxic Ft. [AK-47]: hahah  

2013-10-01 18:39:55 : # [Global] 360° Toxic Ft. [AK-47]: ja  

2013-10-01 18:40:07 : # [Global] -[HELLO]-SK[CL]: kills s both  

2013-10-01 18:40:18 : # [Global] 360° Toxic Ft. [AK-47]: c4 is pretty evil shit  

2013-10-01 18:42:28 : # [Global] -[HELLO]-SK[CL]: oh, i lived..  

2013-10-01 18:42:46 : # [Global] 360° Toxic Ft. [AK-47]: oh  

2013-10-01 18:43:10 : # [Global] -[HELLO]-SK[CL]: *damage  

2013-10-01 18:43:50 : # [Global] 360° Toxic Ft. [AK-47]: no  

2013-10-01 18:43:55 : # [Global] 360° Toxic Ft. [AK-47]: it would kill me  

2013-10-01 18:44:19 : # [Global] 360° Toxic Ft. [AK-47]: lol  

2013-10-01 18:44:54 : # [Global] 360° Toxic Ft. [AK-47]: lol just the splash hurts friendlies too much  

2013-10-01 18:46:09 : # [Global] -[HELLO]-SK[CL]: wonder if i can mortar jump still  

2013-10-01 18:46:57 : # [Global] 360° Toxic Ft. [AK-47]: lol  

2013-10-01 18:47:03 : # [Global] 360° Toxic Ft. [AK-47]: my body went way tf up there  

2013-10-01 18:48:29 : # [Global] 360° Toxic Ft. [AK-47]: HAHAHAH  

2013-10-01 18:48:31 : # [Global] 360° Toxic Ft. [AK-47]: LMAO  

2013-10-01 18:48:46 : # [Global] -[HELLO]-SK[CL]: that hurts  

2013-10-01 18:49:20 : # [Global] 360° Toxic Ft. [AK-47]: lol  

2013-10-01 18:49:23 : # [Global] 360° Toxic Ft. [AK-47]: haha  

2013-10-01 18:49:30 : # [Global] 360° Toxic Ft. [AK-47]: yea it would be tk central  

2013-10-01 18:50:19 : # [Global] 360° Toxic Ft. [AK-47]: 1 c4  

2013-10-01 18:50:37 : # [Global] 360° Toxic Ft. [AK-47]: shit  

2013-10-01 18:50:53 : # [Global] -[HELLO]-SK[CL]: over half  

2013-10-01 18:50:54 : # [Global] -[HELLO]-SK[CL]: gone  

2013-10-01 18:50:59 : # [Global] 360° Toxic Ft. [AK-47]: 1/4  

2013-10-01 18:52:26 : # [Global] -[HELLO]-SK[CL]: That hurt me  

2013-10-01 18:52:35 : # [Global] -[HELLO]-SK[CL]: I guess if you are close to my mines  

2013-10-01 18:52:47 : # [Global] 360° Toxic Ft. [AK-47]: niceone  

2013-10-01 18:53:25 : # [Global] -[HELLO]-SK[CL]: *exposed  

2013-10-01 18:53:29 : # [Global] -[HELLO]-SK[CL]: i got nothing  

2013-10-01 18:53:34 : # [Global] 360° Toxic Ft. [AK-47]: me either  

2013-10-01 18:53:37 : # [Global] 360° Toxic Ft. [AK-47]: noep  

2013-10-01 18:53:39 : # [Global] 360° Toxic Ft. [AK-47]: nipe  

2013-10-01 18:53:41 : # [Global] 360° Toxic Ft. [AK-47]: NOPE  

2013-10-01 18:53:51 : # [Global] -[HELLO]-SK[CL]: Althogh everyone will stay in vehicles. XD  

2013-10-01 18:54:05 : # [Global] 360° Toxic Ft. [AK-47]: thats cuz theres no vehicle ff  

2013-10-01 18:54:16 : # [Global] -[HELLO]-SK[CL]: xD  

2013-10-01 18:54:21 : # [Global] 360° Toxic Ft. [AK-47]: but if u blow something up alongside it  

2013-10-01 18:54:31 : # [Global] 360° Toxic Ft. [AK-47]: when you are not in it  

2013-10-01 18:54:31 : # [Global] 360° Toxic Ft. [AK-47]: lol  

2013-10-01 18:54:41 : # [Global] -[HELLO]-SK[CL]: I die first. :P  

2013-10-01 18:55:04 : # [Global] -[HELLO]-SK[CL]: surely that apc is too far  

2013-10-01 18:55:09 : # [Global] 360° Toxic Ft. [AK-47]: lol  

2013-10-01 18:55:12 : # [Global] 360° Toxic Ft. [AK-47]: >MA  

2013-10-01 18:55:24 : # [Global] 360° Toxic Ft. [AK-47]: cuz its at main?  

2013-10-01 18:55:44 : # [Global] 360° Toxic Ft. [AK-47]: rite there  

2013-10-01 18:56:06 : # [Global] 360° Toxic Ft. [AK-47]: wth  

2013-10-01 18:56:26 : # [Global] 360° Toxic Ft. [AK-47]: from the apc?  

2013-10-01 18:56:28 : # [Global] 360° Toxic Ft. [AK-47]: it must be  

2013-10-01 18:56:41 : # [Global] -[HELLO]-SK[CL]: ja..  

2013-10-01 18:56:48 : # [Global] 360° Toxic Ft. [AK-47]: sweet  

2013-10-01 18:59:15 : # [Global] 360° Toxic Ft. [AK-47]: so....what conclusion  

2013-10-01 18:59:29 : # [Global] -[HELLO]-SK[CL]: Full FF or none it seems.  

2013-10-01 18:59:55 : # [Global] 360° Toxic Ft. [AK-47]: hmmm  

2013-10-01 19:00:17 : # [Global] 360° Toxic Ft. [AK-47]: i think i have it so it kills us too in my server  

2013-10-01 19:00:18 : # [Global] 360° Toxic Ft. [AK-47]: i d k  

2013-10-01 19:00:31 : # [Global] 360° Toxic Ft. [AK-47]: i was hoping for some sort of happy medium  

2013-10-01 19:01:00 : # [Global] 360° Toxic Ft. [AK-47]: oh that took you with ?  

2013-10-01 19:01:29 : # [Global] 360° Toxic Ft. [AK-47]: lol  

2013-10-01 19:01:47 : # [Global] 360° Toxic Ft. [AK-47]: so there would be all sorts of tks  

2013-10-01 19:01:52 : # [Global] -[HELLO]-SK[CL]: JA.  

2013-10-01 19:02:03 : # [Global] -[HELLO]-SK[CL]: c4, betty's, claymores  

2013-10-01 19:02:08 : # [Global] 360° Toxic Ft. [AK-47]: well i guess i strike out  

2013-10-01 19:02:21 : # [Global] 360° Toxic Ft. [AK-47]: cant have that on cuz the trolls  

2013-10-01 19:02:31 : # [Global] -[HELLO]-SK[CL]: mortars tanks seem to hurt too  

2013-10-01 19:02:48 : # [Global] -[HELLO]-SK[CL]: you'd have to kave 0 projectile cover fire at flags  

2013-10-01 19:02:57 : # [Global] -[HELLO]-SK[CL]: *splash  

2013-10-01 19:03:21 : # [Global] 360° Toxic Ft. [AK-47]: well dang  

2013-10-01 19:03:25 : # [Global] 360° Toxic Ft. [AK-47]: i was hoping  

2013-10-01 19:03:35 : # [Global] -[HELLO]-SK[CL]: I bet the F4 napalm couts as projectile too  

2013-10-01 19:03:44 : # [Global] 360° Toxic Ft. [AK-47]: oh i bet  

2013-10-01 19:03:50 : # [Global] 360° Toxic Ft. [AK-47]: lol yea  

2013-10-01 19:03:54 : # [Global] 360° Toxic Ft. [AK-47]: def  

2013-10-01 19:04:05 : # [Global] 360° Toxic Ft. [AK-47]: the heatseekers  

2013-10-01 19:04:14 : # [Global] 360° Toxic Ft. [AK-47]: well not so much   

2013-10-01 19:04:15 : # [Global] -[HELLO]-SK[CL]: Not sure of those...  

2013-10-01 19:04:25 : # [Global] 360° Toxic Ft. [AK-47]: nope, jsut splash

 

[toxic2]

lol that was fun

 

[Prosthetic Head]

thanks for sharing - that's a shame just wish it was possible to have ff off without it turning into a troll fest

 

[toxic2]

dudes.... honestly at this point in the games life, its 11 yrs old.
People shouldn't be able to use this glitch to their advantage anymore. There has been Way more than enough time to evolve and learn the game. As long as they can shoot their feet with Zero damage, And get the kill, they wont ever try to get good. Ever.
HELLO is the Last server standing... If they want to play BFV, theyre going to join HELLO server. There aren't anymore options.
I say make them stop shooting their feet. Put on FF and splash up, if they TK 3 times, they get kicked... if it continues they get banned, eliminate the trolls this way. If they want to play BFV, on the last remaining server, make them start earning it. Why not put on FF? Eliminate the TKRS but adding a kick to the 3rd teamkill. add a ban if they continue.... ppl don't want to be banned, they want to play, make them start Earning their kills, and stop the extortion of the M79/Law/RPG to the feet.
It really is sad that after this long.... THIS LONG in the games life players who have been playing if for YEARS still use that shitty noob tube at their own feet, because there is no repercussion. Most of the gamers in the server try to get the highest scores they possibly can, well if they go negative everytime they TK, whether its on accident or purpose, their score goes negative, they wont like that. And they especially wont like being kicked by the server for TK.
When I put on FF in my server, it was a night and day difference. People chose their shots... tossed their grenades wisely... they didn't just fire into their teammates because there was an enemy beyond them. It literally forced the people playing there to use some skill, and it Worked!!!
Granted, people play in HELLO and have for some years now, so they are used to the way of the system.
But seriously, why cant we make a change like that??? If they wana use that tube.... Fine, but if they shoot their own feet, make them die also, and if they TK, Kick them.... the server will do it automatically. It would of course have its hiccups, but this would Definitely go away after people became used to the fact that they can NO LONGER extort the NON FF.... if they die when they shoot their own feet, they'll stop. and if they get kicked for TK for lobbing m79 rounds into their friendlies, they'll stop, and they'll get better.
Sorry for the epic long post, but it Really is stupid.... We have made changes for the Air raping mains to make it fair... why can we Not make it fair for the infantrymen also?? wouldn't it make sense?
Us ground pounders have been getting the short end of the stick for Many years dealing with the tubers.... why cant we have the same respect as those waiting for their helos in mains???? Ever Try excaping junction spawn in tunnels when youre surrounded by m79s.... same effect as a circling helicopter.
Eliminate the TKing by adding a server kick. Add server ban if they come back and continue to TK.
I guarantee about 98% of them will chose their shots more wisely.
PLEASE SK PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE
ok im done

 

[Freshblood]

I agree added realism would be fun, but toxic i think part of the problem you face is that alot of ppl like the arcade ,toobing ,raping style and when given the choice to play on pro orientated server like the bob one when it was going (which was no rape, modded for no tubing...) it didnt take off and no one played on it.. noobtoobing noobs on hello was more fun and popular..

I agree the no raping rule should be clear if you expect ppl to play by it and staff to enforce it (I see raping simply as heli attacking or capping your opponents main, while they hold other flags). I think its good its been introduced as makes ppl rage quit/log off.. but hasnt stopped ppl raping.

If a large group of ppl want ff on why cant we set up the private server as a more pro server ? , then we could cater for ppl who want abit more realism without disrupting the natives on the main server.

 

[toxic2]

Because the private server no longer exists.
And yes, they are used to being able to tube their feet with no damage reflected, a Very cheap way of killing, IMO.
When the BoB server was about, there were also Other servers to still chose from. That option has now been removed. There aren't any other servers. Please can we try this? It really is a shame that there are so many people that WANT ff but wont ever get it.
Make the tubers start picking their shots, make them Earn the kill. I am sure when they designed this game they didn't intend for people to extort that function the way it has been.

 

[SucceededKiller]

The problem is that M79s, LAWs and RPGs to the feet are not the only splash damage weapons.

Napalm, betty bombs, claymores, mortars, missiles, tank shells and bombs will all do splash damage if you are not hit directly, and it would not be fair to punish the player that did it in all those circumstances.
(Guy runs into your napalm you get a TK. Guy runs over your mine you get TK. etc.)

We'd have players who did nothing wrong being unfairly punished (especially if we had auto-kick); players already run into tanks with booby traps on them and this would just make that situation a lot worse.

The anti-rape rule also helps all players. I can't recall how many times a map like Hastings would be no fun for anyone because no-one could ever get out of main, whereas the same can't really be said for people firing at their feet. (Infantry are easier to kill and most of the explosive weapons have a fairly long cooldown/reload time. This, combined with the reload being interrupted if they are shot makes them substantially easier to kill than a circling plane or heli.)

 

[Freshblood]

Because the private server no longer exists.

ah ur right, i didnt know becuase it was still highlighted in my server list as normal..

to be honest the term Mainrape should be cleared up.

can we make a post defining main rape if there isnt already? maybe a sticky

 

[toxic2]

I'm more less inclined to just stop playing. as I know there are many who already have simply because of this.
I usually leave after I get noobed at the feet a couple to a few times in a row.
I understand your hesitation, and it makes complete sense what you describe as being 'Unfair' to the f4 pilots or whatever.... its just really disgusting that after this long we cant say fuckit and just make them stop playing like SHIT.
its fine, I will continue to play less and less. unfortunate we cannot settle this

 

[Capt. Canada]

Tox,
I don't think there is a simple solution to this. If FF were on, then there would be dozens upon dozens of self-inflicted deaths as well as teamkills simply as part of the process. After a kick for a negative score, some players would not return which would mean fewer players, and an empty server is no fun for anyone.

I once advocated for a day with FF turned on. I called it Friendly Fire Friday...yeah, that's me and my semi-clever turn of phrase. I think it would be an eye-opening experience for some, but the noobers would probably not play anyway.

The guys who shoot at your feet really have no idea how much fun they are missing. A few days ago, we were playing Saigon 68, and you, Hellsfury, myself and a few others were having a tremendous battle in the tunnels. Yes, my kill-death ratio was pretty bad because of Hellsfury, but that did not matter because it was fun dueling it out. And that, I think, is exactly your point. Is there anything truly better in the game than winning an honest fight with a skilled opponent? Some will not agree with me and say an M79 is a weapon of choice in the game...fine. However, the guys who tend to garner the most respect are the ones who slug it out without relying upon no FF to enable them. I doubt that ever changes, but maybe some players will eventually change.

 

[toxic2]

Canada, SK, Hellsfury, Fresh, and others I did not mention...I have always liked you guys and I have Much respect for you. I consider yall pals, even tho we never will meet IRL lol. If was to ever get married...LOL yalls would get invites, and have to suit up heheh...
Grew to know you all as we gamed over the years together. Theres been disagreements, arguments, some hostility towards others and just plain dislike for others.
Honestly ill miss gaming with all you fellas...it has been a nice long run with you. I just cant express how much it disappoints me that we cannot come to a happy medium on this subject. I just don't think its fair that us fellas, the guys that run around on foot, its not right for someone to be able to extort that function they way they do. Its not fair that shooting their own feet kills the enemy but does absolutely Nothing to the person firing it.
Heres this for an idea.... I know for a fact that you can disable the m79, making it still fire but it wont do any damage.... hows about we knock the damage down a peg, so if they fire that m79 at their own feet close quarters, it only does half damage to the enemy??????????? allowing the other person at least a FAIR chance to fend off the enemy. I am sure you will say no, but it CAN be done.
I really don't want to stop playing this game, we do have lots of fun.
But its been a very long time coming, and there should be a remedy for this. And if the remedy is me joining the others that have given up on the game, and just not play anymore, I guess than I am sad to say that-that's what it will be.
Gentlemen.... its been a pleasure.

 

[Mav3ricK]

Canada, SK, Hellsfury, Fresh, and others I did not mention...I have always liked you guys and I have Much respect for you. I consider yall pals, even tho we never will meet IRL lol. If was to ever get married...LOL yalls would get invites, and have to suit up heheh...
Grew to know you all as we gamed over the years together. Theres been disagreements, arguments, some hostility towards others and just plain dislike for others.
Honestly ill miss gaming with all you fellas...it has been a nice long run with you. I just cant express how much it disappoints me that we cannot come to a happy medium on this subject. I just don't think its fair that us fellas, the guys that run around on foot, its not right for someone to be able to extort that function they way they do. Its not fair that shooting their own feet kills the enemy but does absolutely Nothing to the person firing it.
Heres this for an idea.... I know for a fact that you can disable the m79, making it still fire but it wont do any damage.... hows about we knock the damage down a peg, so if they fire that m79 at their own feet close quarters, it only does half damage to the enemy??????????? allowing the other person at least a FAIR chance to fend off the enemy. I am sure you will say no, but it CAN be done.
I really don't want to stop playing this game, we do have lots of fun.
But its been a very long time coming, and there should be a remedy for this. And if the remedy is me joining the others that have given up on the game, and just not play anymore, I guess than I am sad to say that-that's what it will be.
Gentlemen.... its been a pleasure.

How about if Private Server was re-set up again? no need for anybody to quit playing the game