banned 360 Rooster/Osama Bin smokin

[360TheRooster]

First of I would like to apologize to the admins, especially freshblood and Cash, I apologize for being an immature prick and trolling at points, and raging at points, im not going to give you any excuses and i realize i have had a couple chances, but I have been banned on 3 hash tags , and all I really want to do is play and keep my mouth shut which I have been doing decently, if you guys had it in you to give me one more chance especially alphascout and freshblood i can assure you that i will not be a burden to the community and try to contribute also, I get along great with most all people. As I said if given a try, I would not let you guys down especially the names I mentioned. And also thank you toxic for defending me. You guys are the best BFV community around and fair at all times, I deserved the banning, but give me a chance at redemption.
Sincerely Sorry,
Zach Smith

 

[360TheRooster]

I never Tked more of my mouth

 

[CommandoBeta]

I think you have had more than enough chances. You kept promising you would do better, but got banned again eventually. I see no reason to believe you will do right the 6th time.

 

[Freshblood]

Theres really no need to apologuise to me... just think of the ppl who you are randomly insulting.. they just want to play and in peace.. if im killed by someone i may think.. "F**k you c**t.. that was f**king bullsh**! you f**king g*y ass" but i dont type it in the chat.. i probably swear more than most ppl, but the community would never know because i just keep it to myself... Its called self control and self discipline, you clearly need to work on this, and we're not here to teach u these life lessons.. and unfortunatley osama weve heard it all before from you and we're all sick of dealing with you... blackhawk.. i dont know why you act like you are apart of the bfv management.. or think that what you say has any kind of influence here..

 

[Alphascout]

ill think about it

 

[SucceededKiller]

I've got to say that you've definitely changed. Really you should have done it earlier, but when you were playing under the name of "player_2" (I believe this was also you?) and then "Rooster" you were much better than you used to be. What the BFV management decide we will see, but if they do decide to unban you make sure you keep up the attitude you have had for the past few weeks and I doubt there will be any further problems.

 

[Soldier]

Osama bin Smokin/360 Rooster isn`t an bad guy. We had already talked a few times, when i was admin and when i wasn`t and he has never disrespected me.
He was quite for a long time with the name "360 Rooster" (sometimes he used to play under the name "Player(_2)", and i know it because he had ask me on xfire how to manange to get back on the server and i helped him..
The first two times it was his own guilty, he acted like a troll.
But the 3rd time when he played under the 2 names "360 Rooster/Player" he was very quite and didn`t insult anyone.
His problem was that his first defend/rage (despends how a person consider it, because he accused a guy called "Legacy UK" to hack, and after it legacy kept him provocating).
As mentioned above (i dont feel to check who it was..), he doesn`t have a good self-controll.
But as you saw with his 3rd key, his self-controll was alot better (because he knew it was his "last" chance ("last key") ).
And i am pretty sure, if you give him a new chance, he will reduce his "swearing/raging" to a mininum (or probably to 0), because most persons, who have a small piece of brain (^^), wouldn`t mess it again.


As above mentioned, his problem are the "cheaters/hackers", as we know toxic was like him too.
They try both to play with fair means, and they despite it when they see someone using an 3rd game programm.
I would advice you osama (we had a few conversations on xfire as i mentioend osama) to let admins spectate and deal with the problem and you should lower your swearing at a minimum if you get a new chance.
I hope i could clear the situation up and help osama with it but in the end the decision is up to the administration.

 

[Freshblood]

I've got to say that you've definitely changed. Really you should have done it earlier, but when you were playing under the name of "player_2" (I believe this was also you?) and then "Rooster" you were much better than you used to be. What the BFV management decide we will see, but if they do decide to unban you make sure you keep up the attitude you have had for the past few weeks and I doubt there will be any further problems.

sk sounds like the message is getting through... finally

 

[360TheRooster]

I appreciate all the kind replies, and thank you for taking it into consideration.
Thanks,
Zach Smith

 

[Alphascout]

Ok ive come to my and the administrations final decision. As stated by fresh and SK they are right.

Although you may have changed you have had alot of chances. And caused many problems on our servers. Despite what you want us to believe we have to do what is best for our community and server.

So... therefore... I am going to unban you... yes unban... WITH THE UNDERSTANDING from you that this is your last and final chance, and that you WILL not get another.

So if someone is messing with you i suggest you ignore it or get an admin...

Please acknowledge that you understand this is your last and final chance.

Thank Management.

 

[toxic2]

Thx Alpha...
Thats hella nice of these dudes to let you off ban osama. lol, you Better not screw this one up dude, if you do, im Certain you will be done for good this time. Please dont pop off at the mouth, this is really your only problem and only you can control it.
And honestly dude, even tho you Are a member of 360, if i didnt notice a significant change in your behavior the last few weeks, i would not have vouched for you this time. But i did notice you have been Much more reserved. you acted up once, and i told you to stop, and you did. that was the ONly time ive seen you actin up.
Keep it cool man... Dont get the perm ban.
TY again Alpha, SK, and others who believe he deserves a 55th chance.
dont screw it up dude.

 

[Freshblood]

right on toxic. i only agreed to this on the condition that he cleans up his act , and its the very last chance... i doubt his behaviour will change but im really hoping it does

 

[acashmony]

I will be watching.....



Not happy with this decision on the administration part. This was a permanent ban. Thats it. If anyone else would have complained would have only gotten 0 or 1 chance. This was NOT discussed with me. This should have been a vote for admins who have banned him in the past only. This is a corrupt unbanning process. Permanent means "Lasting or remaining without essential change" For this I am not not particularly happy with.

 

[SucceededKiller]

This is a corrupt unbanning process.

This should have been a vote for admins who have banned him in the past only.

And that's not corrupt? Limiting the only people who have a say in his unbanning to those that have obviously encountered problems with him in the past?

I had no say in the final decision, or any decision infact, yet I can still probably explain it all:

This was a permanent ban.

Yes, it was, but then so are a lot of bans that then get appealed and redacted. There are appeals on this forum for other permanent bans, what the ban is classed as should not result in any appeal being blacklisted as a result.

If anyone else would have complained would have only gotten 0 or 1 chance.

I disagree, but then again I'm not the administration. I would, however, like to think that people would be given a chance; espeically after they prove they have changed. Even moreso based on how their previous appeals were inadequately handled in my opinion.

This should have been a vote for admins who have banned him in the past only. This is a corrupt unbanning process.

As I said above, this seems a lot more corrupt. If you believe the banning system is corrupt where anyone can reply to an appeal with an opinion and that only people who have had to deal with problems by a player is a better alternative then I fear for what would happen to "appeals". They would become more of a place for people to further state their dislike of a person and that they should stay banned. If you want less corrupt, you can go along the lines of an independent, impartial jury who decide on appeals on a per case basis with no personal involvement in the case that caused the appeal to be needed. That would be less corrupt, not limiting the appeals decision to admins that banned the person...

Permanent means "Lasting or remaining without essential change" For this I am not not particularly happy with.

That it does, but how many "permanent" things change? Plenty... Permanent is a terrible choice of words for any decision as it doesn't take into account future circumstances. Almost every ban on this forum is "permanent" Should the appeal section just be removed entirely so we can ensure all bans are indeed permanent regardless of a users explanation or surrounding circumstances?

I personally don't agree with the banning system as it is currently, but to label it as corrupt seems a bit far-fetched. And to move towards an admin-only appeal seems a lot worse.

 

[acashmony]

And what I mean by people who ban him is referring to me. Which I agree with SK on the banning system. To unban Osama should have went through the administrators that banned him in the first place. Not skipped. It should be a whole administration vote to unban someone. Not a few. I am saying it is corrupt because it is. For people who know me, I say what I mean. I do not feel like I need to explain why because plenty of other people will say it for me and did. When I say corrupt, I dont mean one person, it is unknown to the management, but it is there. Very bias bans and unbans. It is made by the people who make up HC. For this clan to to become example of unbiased management is impossible, but we could improve on how unbias we can be. For this reason, we should have HELLO Clan members (all) have a say of the leaders of BFV management and so on. Like leaders in divisions. Even though pink said he resigned as leader months ago, phatcat just found out the other day. When I use corrupt im saying theres a giant error in the way of the BFV management. This is the reason why I am considering resigning from HC. I have tried to pop my issues in with the clan, they were ignored. I have tried putting a system in for more equal leadership. It was ignored. It has been very tiring of trying to help this clan in BFV. Which all was declined, except a few.

 

[acashmony]

If you cant find whats the big error is that the admins and leaders do not follow the rules set by ted. I try my best to follow the rules. Ted believes as I saw in chances, but (I do not hate Osama, im using him as the example) when you receive a chance, that is our way of saying we feel bad for you. Then when we ban you again for the same reason you basically bitch slapped us all. Then we give another one. You get ban and we get another bitch slap. For this im embarrassed to even say im in HC cause how we get fooled all the time by giving chances. Heck I even agreed to give him a chance. I stuck my head on the chopping board and he was ban once again. This is why im very upset with this unban.

 

[Freshblood]

Im at work so i cant say much atm but bans are meant to be punishments..so ppls behaviour can change.. and i get where u r coming from cash.. im not a very forgiving person either...What if we make the ban name different.. call it a suspension ban which means all admins must vote and the outcome decides if the player can return from suspension.. maybe hc bfv management can use this case a an opourtuniy to refine how the system works.. so it can work better .. with better outcomes..

 

[easting]

I agree with Fresh, better communication between admins is the way to go.

 

[CommandoBeta]

I agree with Fresh, better communication between admins is the way to go.

Tedde, the admin forum please! : D

Also, when Cash mentioned that the unban should be decided about by admins who were involved in the ban, I think what he ment to say was that the decision shouldn't be made by admins who weren't there when the player was banned... the admins who saw him in game, who warned him, know what he's like, they have seen what the player did wrong, and they are the best to judge if his behaviour will change in the future.. because they have seen the player in the past.
And I agree with that, because if you haven't seen a player I don't think you can judge about him.

 

[Soldier]

I will be watching.....



Not happy with this decision on the administration part. This was a permanent ban. Thats it. If anyone else would have complained would have only gotten 0 or 1 chance. This was NOT discussed with me. This should have been a vote for admins who have banned him in the past only. This is a corrupt unbanning process. Permanent means "Lasting or remaining without essential change" For this I am not not particularly happy with.

Same happened about "ubuntu",
i banned him, and without talking to me why it did result to the ban (and without letting me know, they unbanned him, not much later hc is considering to ban him themselves..)...
so i understand your point of view..