Might this be a good time ....

[Pinky]

Time to remove some of the maps.

It's no secret, our numbers are dwindling guys. Yeah, I get it that the name is allmaps, so what? This and EPD are really the only servers with activity that amounts to anything. I played EPD this morning and there were at least 10 players.

Are we going to sit back and let the game die off because of the name of the server? That makes no sense. So change the name to "Some Maps". This is ridiculous.

I reco that these maps be removed forthwith:

Fall of Saigon
La Drang
Fall of Lang Vei
Defence of Con Thien
Ho Chi Minh trail
Hue
Operation of Cedar Falls

These were great maps back in the day. When we had 40 guys playing, or even 30. It's over. It's time to cut our loses and some of the maps and focus on those that most players enjoy. I said "most" players enjoy. Keeping La Drang because three guys want to keep it in the rotation makes no sense.

That's my suggestion. Again. And if not, turn on map voting.

Thanks for your kind and careful consideration going forward.

pinky

 

[Phallic]

I am gonna have to disagree on this one. This server is one of the last places that offers the full close-to-vanilla BFV Conquest experience. Every map, even the ones usually considered unpopular, has its diehard fans and defenders.

And with the way things are, especially with dwindling numbers, it's more important than ever that this server continues to provide this full experience so that every single one of these people gets to play their favourite map every once in a little while. Because there is nowhere else left where they could so and as such Allmaps is the way things ought to be staying in my opinion.

 

[Pinky]

The problem is Phal, when these maps come on, players leave the server. I'm not saying everyone leaves but the server dies out. It's on a slow-death roll the way it is. When was the last time you saw Silvia on? And if so, how many maps? How about Hells? Para? Disco?

I have to edit this, who likes playing Fall of Saigon?

pinky

 

[x4|Al Gore]

Hi Pinky,

I hope you're doing well! I wanted to share some thoughts regarding the player experience. I agree with Phallic that the issue may not be solely about the maps. Many players are getting older and face challenges like weaker bladders, longer sitting times, and larger appetites. Additionally, newer players have to balance their time between BFV and various streaming services.

I've noticed that some seasoned players, including yourself, tend to leave when the team struggles or when an unfavorable map is in play. The patience we had back in 2004 has shifted, and it seems that even minor frustrations lead to some players exiting the game.

It’s also important to recognize that each player has their favorite maps, and removing certain maps could lead to losing those players altogether, which we definitely want to avoid. We’ve already seen a few players depart due to bans, among other reasons.

Furthermore, I recall discussions about map removals dating back to 2015, and many players are aware of this history. I believe that rather than focusing on diminishing numbers, we could foster a more positive environment by showing up more often and staying longer. Your presence would surely help enhance the overall experience.

I wanted to mention that we had the highest player turnout last Sunday and a notable number again on Friday, January 10th, 2025. If you were to play more frequently and stay longer, you might have a different perspective on the player numbers. You can even check out my YouTube channel to see the player activity and all the excitement you might have missed.

Looking forward to seeing you in-game!

Every map, even the ones usually considered unpopular, has its diehard fans and defenders

Well said @Phallic my thoughts also.

especially with dwindling numbers

I believe the notion of dwindling numbers is somewhat misunderstood. Thanks to social media and YouTube content, we are actually attracting more new players, and many returning players are rejoining the community. The graph above demonstrates this positive trend.

I’d encourage you not to take to heart the concerns raised by some individuals. They've been discussing the issue of declining player numbers for quite some time. For instance, during our first successful event during COVID, we had an overwhelming turnout, which unfortunately led to the server reaching full capacity, preventing even more players from joining. It was surprising to see some feedback suggesting there were “too many players” at that time.

Let’s stay optimistic about our growing community!

who likes playing Fall of Saigon?

I encourage you to check out this playlist and listen to the opening comments. While there are some negative remarks, you'll also find several players who express their enjoyment of this and other maps. Personally, I have my preferences, and I tend to find city maps particularly challenging, especially when facing highly skilled opponents. However, I strive to remain in the game to help maintain server activity and player numbers for as long as possible. Even during tough moments, I make an effort to stay engaged and continue fighting until the very end. My videos are a testament to that dedication. I typically only step away when I need to attend to errands outside my home.

 

[Pinky]

Al, what's Fall of Saigon got that no other map has? That goofy rocket truck. I have loved that thing from day one. Do you remember me organizing jeep races on that map? I had a gas on that map. But times have changed, we need to get down to 10 maps. Half air. Half ground. A happy medium for all.

The only map I never really liked was ............ I can't name one. (Edit, La Drang, the worst. How many times did I run the spawn tunnel to blue main over the years. If I ran that much in life, I would win the Boston Marathon running backwards. I finally got Ice to add jeeps to it. It needs more jeeps.)

Fall of Lang Vei is, I think, the most messed up map of all. I think the programmers goofed adding the spawn chopper. There's the tunnel. There are two on the map (there's the one that appears at the center flag that appears after red captures that flag in the swamp). Their other gaffe was to allow blue main to be taken within seconds.

Whatever happens, happens.

Respectfully submited for your fair consideration,

pinky

 

[Phallic]

Hi, Al.

You raise an interesting point about there really being an influx of new players. I mean it makes sense, as I've also been seeing lots and lots of new names on the server as of late which I have never seen before in all my time of playing this game.

May it thus not really be more appropriate to speak of a new generation of players slowly but surely supplanting the older players? I mean the reasons for older players quitting the game or having it take a backseat in their lives can vary a lot and may often be irreducible to having grudges with certain maps or server settings.

And no matter how much we may love this game despite and perhaps sometimes even because of its flaws, it's undeniable that it's just a game at the end of the day and may end up becoming second fiddle as older age often brings along with it a shift in perspectives and priorities.

 

[TKO_Flight447]

You want Hue removed? What!?

Like Big Al said, the server is actually seeing alot more players recently, especially on weekdays. We are doing the exact opposite of losing players currently. People leaving the server is typically cyclical throughout the day and not really contingent on a certain map.

I do agree, if its nearing the end of the day, and players are already slowly leaving each match, and something like Ia Drang comes on then yes, typically people call it a day and leave. If Ia Drang comes on during the beginning or middle of the day, people play it and its a non-issue. Its a self correcting problem.

I hate certain maps too like Game Warden and i do whine about it in game, but i'll usually play if there are people on. If not ill go spec to keep the server count up. I don't think it should be removed from the rotation though just because I don't like it thats silly.

Fall of Saigon ends very quickly once one side captures a few flags. My biggest complaint about that map is how short it is! The rocket truck and the DC-3 gunship are both unique to that map.