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Player's Name: Toxic aka Jack John aka c!xoT
Admin's Name: Administration Decision
Rule(s) Broken: N/A
Action Taken: 1 Month Ban
Ban Expiry: Jul 19, 2023
Visual Evidence: No
Chatlogs: Yes
Chatlog Evidence:
There are select players who have been wanting something like this done to you for a very long time. I played off their requests because I believed you could change. Although you did slightly, you are proving them all the more right still.
With a discussion between active admins, and a review of the most recent behavior, including some of your more prominent past issues, we have collectively decided to give you a forced vacation from HelloClan's Battlefield Vietnam server.
It should be said that the admins themselves were content with seeing you off for 2-3 weeks to cool off. Heilig & I however agreed that, given your standing within our community, you deserve a time rounded up a bit to a month.
Whilst we truly do wish to inspire change in the player(s) that are most complained about, we can only go so far before a line must be drawn. A handful of such players that had a line drawn for them returned to be better players, and if that can be done for you after this expires, I'd be quite content.
Though, as a HelloClan Leader, as a person that is responsible for this community, it is my responsibility to ensure our active players enjoy a peaceful atmosphere. That includes our staff members as well.
You enjoy the privilege of playing on our server, where;
These benefits all come via us, for free and executed by people that do not profit by any means through their actions which are done solely for the passion they hold and their willingness to help. And they have been taken for granted.
Is this "not disrespecting" anyone?
In other words, defamation of character?
Sidenote, I intervened here because I grow tired of the same cycle. It was definitely me on the RM, and yes, I told Blue to shut up.
Let me explain why I kicked you for "literally saying nothing". You choose to come play on our server, you choose how you want to act. You chose to spark a conversation about a staff member in a wholly negative light. Everything was fine, everyone was fine, until you chose that topic to bring up.
Now, don't get me wrong, you are entitled to your opinions just as everyone else is. But if you want to join our server, if you choose to play on our server, you are not automatically entitled to belittle staff members that actually want to help the community out.
The staff member you are dragging through the mud has actually defended you on multiple occasions, not that this will help cease your hostilities towards him. But it had to be said.
Moving on to that actual topic about defending you and my statements against you of double standards;
Now here, Flight as an Admin, is rightly so enforcing the rule, yet you find it wrong and claim that he is abusing his power to do so.
So, in the past you've happily come to my DM's on Discord, told me player x is stirring the pot, I'd look into it and take action. You were perfectly okay with that happening. With full understanding of the rule. Though now, you yourself break it and take exception to the fact that you are being taken to task over breaking it? Hence, double standards.
The below are the warnings issued by admins for accusations for the month of May 2023:
The below are kicks:
In the above, you did not get warned for anything. If you consider this:
It genuinely does not help any of us when a player carries on in-game whilst we are either busy tabbing in and out to deal with something, or trying to find out other information through the admin channels. He was not on a power trip, he was not abusing his admin power and as you can see, he did take action against your accuser.
Flight, just like any admin before him, wanted to make sure he followed HelloClan's guidelines. Our guidelines. He did not want to kick unnecessarily, he did not want to remove players from the game. He showed great restraint and really did prove he likes lenience over immediate action. I'd say a nice quality. You disagree.
On top of all of this, I do not expect any Admin to take heat sitting down. Because he was square up against you, you saw his action as unwarranted yet you did and still do just the same to him.
I've explained this now a few times, both of you think there's a conspiracy going on and you are both wrong. In responses to both of your requests that Flight or other admins online at the time take action "just because you said it happened" the admins stated that you could report the rule breakers on the forum with any evidence. It really helps. Both of you took this the wrong way too. And again after it was explained.
Because Flight is now both of your public enemy, you take our long standing way of doing things as him not taking action, not performing his duty as an admin, berating him for being a "bad" admin. Is this how you really want to spend your time in this old game? Do either of you think this is how I want to treat other players that show up for the game? You have your heads the wrong way around if you think I take any joy from typing any of this. I do it because it seems some people don't believe the truth nowadays and some don't like it when they don't get what they want.
Admins Note:
Your ban expires 30 days from this date. You are free to return if you wish to after that date. Understand you will be subject to a "parole" period thereafter. Should you evade your ban, an additional week will be added per evasion. I invite my fellow Leader - Heilig - to add his comments should he so wish as responses to this ban topic.
Admin's Name: Administration Decision
Rule(s) Broken: N/A
Action Taken: 1 Month Ban
Ban Expiry: Jul 19, 2023
Visual Evidence: No
Chatlogs: Yes
Chatlog Evidence:
Forward:
Toxic, it is time.There are select players who have been wanting something like this done to you for a very long time. I played off their requests because I believed you could change. Although you did slightly, you are proving them all the more right still.
With a discussion between active admins, and a review of the most recent behavior, including some of your more prominent past issues, we have collectively decided to give you a forced vacation from HelloClan's Battlefield Vietnam server.
It should be said that the admins themselves were content with seeing you off for 2-3 weeks to cool off. Heilig & I however agreed that, given your standing within our community, you deserve a time rounded up a bit to a month.
Whilst we truly do wish to inspire change in the player(s) that are most complained about, we can only go so far before a line must be drawn. A handful of such players that had a line drawn for them returned to be better players, and if that can be done for you after this expires, I'd be quite content.
Though, as a HelloClan Leader, as a person that is responsible for this community, it is my responsibility to ensure our active players enjoy a peaceful atmosphere. That includes our staff members as well.
You enjoy the privilege of playing on our server, where;
You do not need to pay anything towards the upkeep.
You are only asked to follow our rules and respect our staff.
You take part in events that would otherwise not happen if we didn't exist.
You take full advantage of otherwise unavailable support for the game.
These benefits all come via us, for free and executed by people that do not profit by any means through their actions which are done solely for the passion they hold and their willingness to help. And they have been taken for granted.
We will now review the most recent chat;
The below logs are only the most recent infractions, however, countless more can be produced as well as proof of concepts of players simply not wanting to play anymore because of you and how you act.First note;
Let us deal with last night's caucus.Is this "not disrespecting" anyone?
In other words, defamation of character?
2023-06-18 21:37:21 : # [Global] Jack john: i got tired of one person in general so i havent been on
2023-06-18 21:37:30 : # [Global] Gra$$HoPPer: including yourself
2023-06-18 21:37:53 : # [Global] Jack john: powertripping admin
2023-06-18 21:38:01 : # [Global] Bob: flight?
2023-06-18 21:38:14 : # [Global] Jack john: dude makes me not wana play
2023-06-18 21:38:33 : # [Global] Gra$$HoPPer: its a she
2023-06-18 21:38:50 : # [Global] Jack john: ?
2023-06-18 21:40:14 : # [Global] Bob: tko flight does more to cause problems than she fixes
2023-06-18 21:40:23 : # [Global] Jack john: its a she?
2023-06-18 21:40:35 : # [Global] Gra$$HoPPer: a shemale son
2023-06-18 21:40:38 : # [Global] Jack john: i dont buy it
2023-06-18 21:40:39 : # [Global] Bob: whats her name hoppy
2023-06-18 21:41:01 : # [Global] Gra$$HoPPer: twice
2023-06-18 21:41:06 : # [Global] Jack john: on voice?
2023-06-18 21:41:14 : # [Global] Jack john: pretty sure its a he
2023-06-18 21:41:22 : # [Global] Jack john: doesnt matter
2023-06-18 21:41:34 : # [Global] Jack john: makes me not wana play either way
2023-06-18 21:41:41 : # [Global] Bob: same JJ
2023-06-18 21:42:00 : # [Global] Bob: DH was asking me time after time if i was playing
2023-06-18 21:42:12 : # [Global] Bob: i said yes 3 times but he kept asking
2023-06-18 21:42:28 : # [Global] Gra$$HoPPer: noy he
2023-06-18 21:42:31 : # [Global] Jack john: DH?
2023-06-18 21:42:33 : # [Global] Gra$$HoPPer: not he
2023-06-18 21:42:38 : # [Global] Gra$$HoPPer: its a bitch
2023-06-18 21:42:41 : User operator at console said '[BVSM] Gra$$HoPPer do not use the word bitch in chat'.
2023-06-18 21:42:44 : # [Global] Bob: Richard head
2023-06-18 21:43:34 : User IceSkater said '[BVSM] Jack john kicked for Kick for using inappropriate language'.
2023-06-18 21:43:43 : User IceSkater said '[BVSM] Gra$$HoPPer kicked for Kick for using inappropriate language'.
2023-06-18 21:44:08 : # [Global] Bob: lol so few and he is kicking
2023-06-18 21:45:03 : # [Global] Gra$$HoPPer: i apoligize
2023-06-18 21:45:08 : # [Global] Jack john: wow, that cant be ice
Sidenote, I intervened here because I grow tired of the same cycle. It was definitely me on the RM, and yes, I told Blue to shut up.
Let me explain why I kicked you for "literally saying nothing". You choose to come play on our server, you choose how you want to act. You chose to spark a conversation about a staff member in a wholly negative light. Everything was fine, everyone was fine, until you chose that topic to bring up.
Now, don't get me wrong, you are entitled to your opinions just as everyone else is. But if you want to join our server, if you choose to play on our server, you are not automatically entitled to belittle staff members that actually want to help the community out.
The staff member you are dragging through the mud has actually defended you on multiple occasions, not that this will help cease your hostilities towards him. But it had to be said.
Moving on to that actual topic about defending you and my statements against you of double standards;
In the red, don't even try argue against it, we know you are talking about Flight. I have, we all have, warned or kicked players for the slightest step into the world of hackusations. A great deal as a result of accusing YOU.
Now here, Flight as an Admin, is rightly so enforcing the rule, yet you find it wrong and claim that he is abusing his power to do so.
So, in the past you've happily come to my DM's on Discord, told me player x is stirring the pot, I'd look into it and take action. You were perfectly okay with that happening. With full understanding of the rule. Though now, you yourself break it and take exception to the fact that you are being taken to task over breaking it? Hence, double standards.
Moving on;
Though he needn't prove, nor I in fact needn't prove, anything and least of all to you;The below are the warnings issued by admins for accusations for the month of May 2023:
The below are kicks:
Next note:
In the above, the usual banter occurs. I've personally witnessed this on more than one occasion. You are unhappy with teams, or unhappy with players play style, complain about it. Leave or join spec mode. It's the cycle you have.2023-06-04 18:19:21 : # [Global] Nagi Tanka: hihi
2023-06-04 18:19:25 : # [Global] [TKO]Flight447-RIP:
2023-06-04 18:19:47 : # [Global] [TKO]Flight447-RIP: some new faces on tday!
2023-06-04 18:21:44 : # [Global] -[HELLO]-paranoid: jack on fire today
2023-06-04 18:21:57 : # [RED] -[HELLO]-paranoid: mines
2023-06-04 18:21:58 : # [RED] -[HELLO]-paranoid: mines
2023-06-04 18:21:59 : # [RED] -[HELLO]-paranoid: mines
2023-06-04 18:22:01 : # [RED] -[HELLO]-paranoid: mines
2023-06-04 18:22:14 : # [Global] Jack john: LMFAO k
2023-06-04 18:22:19 : # [Global] [TKO]Flight447-RIP: hi toxy
2023-06-04 18:23:32 : # [Global] Jack john: gona make it easier for nva in a minute
2023-06-04 18:23:32 : # [Global] -[HELLO]-paranoid: haha
2023-06-04 18:23:37 : # [Global] Gra$$HoPPer: hihihi
2023-06-04 18:24:57 : # [Global] Justice For Hungary: hi all
2023-06-04 18:25:00 : # [Global] mR oRanGe : hi
2023-06-04 18:25:10 : # [Global] Nagi Tanka: hihi
2023-06-04 18:25:11 : # [Global] Jack john: help
2023-06-04 18:25:14 : # [Global] Jack john: plz
2023-06-04 18:25:28 : # [RED] [TKO]Flight447-RIP: tox main
2023-06-04 18:26:00 : # [Global] -[HELLO]-paranoid: bamus
2023-06-04 18:26:39 : # [Global] -[HELLO]-paranoid: nice
2023-06-04 18:26:46 : # [Global] Gra$$HoPPer: dbl bamwham
2023-06-04 18:26:57 : # [Global] Nagi Tanka: ty
2023-06-04 18:27:28 : # [RED] -[HELLO]-paranoid: temple
2023-06-04 18:27:31 : # [Global] Gra$$HoPPer: g2g boys
2023-06-04 18:27:31 : # [RED] -[HELLO]-paranoid: tank
2023-06-04 18:27:36 : # [Global] Jack john: a pity
2023-06-04 18:27:48 : # [Global] -[HELLO]-paranoid: MUAHAAHAHAHAA
2023-06-04 18:27:52 : # [Global] [TKO]Flight447-RIP:
2023-06-04 18:28:29 : # [Global] Jack john: HLEP
2023-06-04 18:28:37 : # [Global] -[HELLO]-paranoid: ok
2023-06-04 18:28:37 : # [Global] [TKO]Flight447-RIP: where you at ?
2023-06-04 18:28:44 : # [Global] -[HELLO]-paranoid: tell me position
2023-06-04 18:28:52 : # [Global] [TKO]Flight447-RIP: dont be a quite
2023-06-04 18:29:00 : # [Global] Jack john: stacked teams much
2023-06-04 18:29:09 : # [Global] DR FAUCI: hello
2023-06-04 18:29:14 : # [Global] [TKO]Flight447-RIP: stop whining and start killin
2023-06-04 18:29:31 : # [Global] Jack john: and if im not killing
2023-06-04 18:29:36 : # [Global] [TKO]Flight447-RIP: nobody trollin big man, play the game
2023-06-04 18:29:38 : # [Global] Jack john: how is it i lead the board
2023-06-04 18:29:44 : # [Global] Jack john: dont assume sh
2023-06-04 18:29:54 : # [Global] Jack john: just play your game and stop over power admin bs
2023-06-04 18:30:09 : # [Global] [TKO]Flight447-RIP: calm down
2023-06-04 18:30:17 : # [Global] -[HELLO]-paranoid: really
2023-06-04 18:30:22 : # [Global] [TKO]Flight447-RIP: im drunk hehe
2023-06-04 18:30:24 : # [Global] mR oRanGe : lol
2023-06-04 18:30:30 : # [Global] Jack john: dont drink so much so early
2023-06-04 18:31:18 : # [Global] Jack john: good luck team usa
2023-06-04 18:31:26 : # [Global] [TKO]Flight447-RIP: he leavin LMAO
2023-06-04 18:31:32 : # [Global] Jack john: 1 v 1 me?
2023-06-04 18:31:44 : # [Global] [TKO]Flight447-RIP: nope, trying to play on server big man!
2023-06-04 18:31:52 : # [Global] Jack john: youre so full of yourself 1 v 1 me
2023-06-04 18:31:57 : # [Global] Jack john: big man
2023-06-04 18:31:58 : # [RED] DR FAUCI: beware landmines
2023-06-04 18:32:44 : # [Global] Jack john: time to go check logs and see how it was before you joined
2023-06-04 18:32:55 : # [Global] [TKO]Flight447-RIP: heehee
2023-06-04 18:33:05 : # [Global] [TKO]Flight447-RIP: so angy
2023-06-04 18:33:19 : # [Global] Jack john: naw
2023-06-04 18:33:28 : # [Global] Jack john: you just annoying trying to control every aspect
2023-06-04 18:33:55 : # [Global] [TKO]Flight447-RIP: you whine we dont have even teams and threaten to leave
2023-06-04 18:34:04 : # [Global] [TKO]Flight447-RIP: then have a tantrum when others dont agree
2023-06-04 18:34:09 : # [Global] Jack john: you should go read logs
2023-06-04 18:34:13 : # [Global] Jack john: and inform yourslef
2023-06-04 18:34:32 : # [Global] [TKO]Flight447-RIP: sigh...was hoping it wasnt going to be one of those days today!
2023-06-04 18:34:42 : # [Global] mR oRanGe : we got dramas now
2023-06-04 18:34:52 : # [Global] Jack john: you join and its chaos because you so full of power
2023-06-04 18:34:59 : # [Global] [TKO]Flight447-RIP: oj thanks for joining the event yesterday
2023-06-04 18:35:02 : # [Global] Jack john: warnings for this and that, calling ppl names
2023-06-04 18:35:10 : # [Global] [TKO]Flight447-RIP: that was extreemly fun
2023-06-04 18:35:17 : # [Global] -[HELLO]-paranoid: i missed it
2023-06-04 18:35:33 : # [Global] [TKO]Flight447-RIP: people
2023-06-04 18:37:24 : # [Global] [TKO]Flight447-RIP: damn ns hungaru
2023-06-04 18:37:50 : # [Global] [TKO]Flight447-RIP: ?
2023-06-04 18:38:07 : # [Global] Jack john: i lit you up, he shot me in the back
2023-06-04 18:38:18 : # [Global] [TKO]Flight447-RIP: well whoever got me, NS!
2023-06-04 18:41:47 : # [Global] Jack john: just much better
2023-06-04 18:42:02 : # [Global] DR FAUCI: you r
2023-06-04 18:42:14 : # [Global] [TKO]Flight447-RIP: fauci, naughty
2023-06-04 18:42:42 : # [Global] DR FAUCI: i wish die irl
2023-06-04 18:42:51 : # [Global] Jack john: get brained
2023-06-04 18:43:06 : User Flight said '[BVSM] DR FAUCI , please keep your chat clean'.
2023-06-04 18:43:57 : # [Global] Jack john: telling me to F off all in 2 minutes
2023-06-04 18:44:05 : # [Global] DR FAUCI: yes you arwe
2023-06-04 18:44:54 : # [Global] Jack john: lol i never even address this person
2023-06-04 18:45:32 : # [Global] DR FAUCI: so why you hcking
2023-06-04 18:45:42 : # [Global] M.i.r: hi all
2023-06-04 18:45:47 : User Flight said '[BVSM] DR FAUCI , please keep your chat clean'.
2023-06-04 18:46:02 : User said '[BVSM] DR FAUCI kicked for , Kick for accusing players of hacking'.
2023-06-04 18:47:09 : # [Global] DR FAUCI: evidence
2023-06-04 18:47:38 : # [Global] [TKO]Flight447-RIP: our website
2023-06-04 18:48:00 : # [Global] Jack john: wow
2023-06-04 18:48:06 : # [Global] Jack john: more accusations
2023-06-04 18:48:32 : User Flight said '[BVSM] DR FAUCI , do not accuse players of hacking'.
2023-06-04 18:48:45 : # [Global] [TKO]Flight447-RIP: toxy, please keep the riff raff down, not helping
2023-06-04 18:48:51 : # [Global] Jack john: dude
2023-06-04 18:49:01 : # [Global] Jack john: stop warning me for being here
2023-06-04 18:49:29 : # [Global] Jack john: dude
2023-06-04 18:49:32 : # [Global] Jack john: leave me alone
2023-06-04 18:50:00 : # [Global] Jack john: im the one being harassed
2023-06-04 18:50:01 : # [Global] Jack john: not him
2023-06-04 18:50:05 : # [Global] Jack john: i dont need a warning
2023-06-04 18:50:25 : # [Global] Jack john: and i get warned
2023-06-04 18:50:33 : # [Global] [TKO]Flight447-RIP: and he has been warned and even kicked. you have not
In the above, you did not get warned for anything. If you consider this:
to be a warning, you are grievously mistaken.
It genuinely does not help any of us when a player carries on in-game whilst we are either busy tabbing in and out to deal with something, or trying to find out other information through the admin channels. He was not on a power trip, he was not abusing his admin power and as you can see, he did take action against your accuser.
Flight, just like any admin before him, wanted to make sure he followed HelloClan's guidelines. Our guidelines. He did not want to kick unnecessarily, he did not want to remove players from the game. He showed great restraint and really did prove he likes lenience over immediate action. I'd say a nice quality. You disagree.
On top of all of this, I do not expect any Admin to take heat sitting down. Because he was square up against you, you saw his action as unwarranted yet you did and still do just the same to him.
I say this for the final time, directed towards Toxic & Blueheeler;
Our policy HAS always been that even if an Admin is in-game, they will not take action if they did not personally witness it. They will not take the word of a player in-game that something happened. If they wish to, they will go spec the player under the assumption they may break a rule again or let the other admins know and it is later looked into. They are not bound to ask how high you'd like them to jump. It is up to them if they wish to go spend their game time watching a player or leave it for later and it be looked into via event log.I've explained this now a few times, both of you think there's a conspiracy going on and you are both wrong. In responses to both of your requests that Flight or other admins online at the time take action "just because you said it happened" the admins stated that you could report the rule breakers on the forum with any evidence. It really helps. Both of you took this the wrong way too. And again after it was explained.
Because Flight is now both of your public enemy, you take our long standing way of doing things as him not taking action, not performing his duty as an admin, berating him for being a "bad" admin. Is this how you really want to spend your time in this old game? Do either of you think this is how I want to treat other players that show up for the game? You have your heads the wrong way around if you think I take any joy from typing any of this. I do it because it seems some people don't believe the truth nowadays and some don't like it when they don't get what they want.
Admins Note:
Your ban expires 30 days from this date. You are free to return if you wish to after that date. Understand you will be subject to a "parole" period thereafter. Should you evade your ban, an additional week will be added per evasion. I invite my fellow Leader - Heilig - to add his comments should he so wish as responses to this ban topic.
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